Floyd HAS NEVER BEATEN a BONA FIDE GREAT FIGHTER in their PRIME

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I have no idea what you are talking about, but in all honestly Floyd would never get in the ring with Sergio Martinez. IMHO Floyd is still and all time great but around the 40-50 range when he should be top 20 (if he would have fought the guys he should have fought). He didn't so he has himself to blame as to how he will be remember in the future when we are talking about the greatest fighters of all time.

The calibre of oppossition faced by Mayweather is no worse than that of Pacman........to say otherwise is completely devoid of any sense of impartiality........

- Hernandez
- Corrales
- Castillo
- Judah
- ODLH
- Hatton
- SSM
- JMM
- Baldomir
- Gatti

vs


- JMM
- EM
- MAB
- Cotto
- Clottey
- ODLH
- Hatton


i fail to see any distinguishing differences in the calibre of opposition on their resumes......there isn't a fighter on Pac's resume who could beat Floyd from 130-147 IMO........but if you look at Floyds resume.....there are fighters on it that could beat a more limited Pac at 130....such as Corrales......

Mayweather had a historically significant reign at 130.....his only failing IMO is not staying at 35 and 40 longer.......but he was chasing big paydays and positive career moves by trying to get ODLH and SSM in the higher divisions.........

You can talk all you want about not having faced this guy or that guy......but their is only one legit name that Floyd really didn't care to fight and that was Margarito......there exist no legit reasons or evidence to the contrary that he avoided any fighter, except maybe Margo a few yrs back....

Pac on the other hand clearly ducked Joan Guzman.......they both cleaned out the division to the point where the only fight that made sense was with each other to crown the best......Guzman wanted it....challenged Pac directly.........Pac IMHO "wisely" avoided it............


there is always going to be fights that could have happened that didn't or should have.......you can name ones with almost every fighter.....somehow Mayweather gets held to a higher standard........

[MONEYMAY-]

Bro I'm a huge Morales fan as well and for people to say he was a shot fighter in the second Pac fight is ****iing comical. Hell they say he was shot in the first fight, but the way Erik fought MAB and then Pac in the first fight....no way in hell does a "Shot" fighter fight like that. Dude was only 28 and besides his blowout loss to Raheem, he could have arguable been an undeated fighter as I consider all three of his fights with MAB extremely close.


I mean I have followed Morales his entire career....before Zaragosa and while he wasn't at his absolute best (his best 122 then 126) he was still at top 3 fighter at 130. Nothing about the way Morales fought in the first and second fight led me or any Morales fan to think he was shot and I love how people revise history.

The only true problem I've ever had was the completely pointless rubber match. After the Raheem loss, Morales was embarrassed by it. Real talk he felt he let his people down after that match and continued to state so in the Tijuana media. He wanted to make up for it so he himself pushed for the second Pacquiao fan to give his fans from his hometown another great victory, He was seriously feeling great and had a successful training camp for the fight. After his first career KO loss, Morales hit rock bottom. Mostly all we would hear is him going out to La Revolucion (Downtown Tijuana) or Mariscos restaurants to bottle up the pain from the losses and also him having marital problems at home and trying to get an electoral spot in Tijuana. Once I heard about all these problems and heard the word of mouth throughout fight fans in Tijuana I knew he was done. When they announce the third fight I knew it wasn't going to end well. Right there and then I knew he was going to lose, I'll honestly say he was shot at that point in his career. That hunger he once had was gone, And all the punishment he went throughout his career had taken its toll. The second fight was a great win for Manny, The third one not really and that's real talk coming from one of the biggest if not the biggest Morales fan on here.

[Real King Kong]

i agree. but he didnt do it d. you cant give him credit for hypothetical victories. when he was cleaning up 130, just below him you had names like marquez, barerra, pacquiao, morales, hamed.


at 135 he faced castillo but he didnt face casamayor or stevie johnston. 2 slick fighters. yet pac gets harped on for not facing slick fighters?

floyd's brimming with talent but his resume is really bare compared to other ATG fighters.

he called out hamed before he moved up in weight and people scoffed at it. pac was still at 122 when floyd had already moved to 135. if casamayor beat freitas they would have likely fought at 130. by the time floyd was done fighting castillo stevie johnston was getting kod by lazcano. not to play devil's advocate here..but if he woulda beat all those guys people would have said..they were smaller or washed up. pacquiao was very lucky to have many great fighters fighting in and around his weight. to me what he did at 126-130 is the most impressive part of his career. what good/great fighters did floyd have to chose from at 130-140 that he didn't beat?

[Khalid X]

The only true problem I've ever had was the completely pointless rubber match. After the Raheem loss, Morales was embarrassed by it. Real talk he felt he let his people down after that match and continued to state so in the Tijuana media. He wanted to make up for it so he himself pushed for the second Pacquiao fan to give his fans from his hometown another great victory, He was seriously feeling great and had a successful training camp for the fight. After his first career KO loss, Morales hit rock bottom. Mostly all we would hear is him going out to La Revolucion (Downtown Tijuana) or Mariscos restaurants to bottle up the pain from the losses and also him having marital problems at home and trying to get an electoral spot in Tijuana. Once I heard about all these problems and heard the word of mouth throughout fight fans in Tijuana I knew he was done. When they announce the third fight I knew it wasn't going to end well. Right there and then I knew he was going to lose, I'll honestly say he was shot at that point in his career. That hunger he once had was gone, And all the punishment he went throughout his career had taken its toll. The second fight was a great win for Manny, The third one not really and that's real talk coming from one of the biggest if not the biggest Morales fan on here.

I agree with you on the rubber match. I will say this though, I never knocked his lost to Raheem because no Mexican fighter has won a title in a 4th weight class. They just don't have the physical frame to move up in weight like that and 130 was Morales peak weight. By going to 135 he was giving up too many physical advantages, which is why I would never hold that against him. Too often people criticize him for something great such as Chavez, Zarate, Saldivar, Olivares and other great Mexican warriors have never done....win a title in a 4th weight class.

[Khalid X]

he called out hamed before he moved up in weight and people scoffed at it. pac was still at 122 when floyd had already moved to 135. if casamayor beat freitas they would have likely fought at 130. by the time floyd was done fighting castillo stevie johnston was getting kod by lazcano. not to play devil's advocate here..but if he woulda beat all those guys people would have said..they were smaller or washed up. pacquiao was very lucky to have many great fighters fighting in and around his weight. to me what he did at 126-130 is the most impressive part of his career. what good/great fighters did floyd have to chose from at 130-140 that he didn't beat?

Honestly, him calling out Hamed was bull**** because Hamed had a fight plan in place to fight guys like Morales, Barrera, Tapia and others. Floyd knew that and just said Hamed's name to create attention for himself. That held about as much weight as Malignaggi calling out Floyd when he was signed to fight Shane.

[Khalid X]

i fail to see any distinguishing differences in the calibre of opposition on their resumes......there isn't a fighter on Pac's resume who could beat Floyd from 130-147 IMO........but if you look at Floyds resume.....there are fighters on it that could beat a more limited Pac at 130....such as Corrales......

There is no one on Floyd resume that could beat Manny. Corrales is so overrated it's not even funny. Good fighter yes, but Marquez, Morales that fought Manny in the first fight, and even MAB could beat that version of Corrales that fought Floyd. People were too gassed up off his win over Manfredy, and while I like Angel, that kid has never been good. Even that limited version of Pac kills Corrales and the fight wouldn't even be close

Mayweather had a historically significant reign at 130.....his only failing IMO is not staying at 35 and 40 longer.......but he was chasing big paydays and positive career moves by trying to get ODLH and SSM in the higher divisions.

He did have a historical run at 130...full props and credit for that. Also I don't knock him for the DLH fight and I have always gave him full credit for that. The only thing is that I don't think highly of Oscar, he is a HOF though, and even if Manny beat a 154 version of Oscar....I would give him a lot of credit for that win as well. Even before the B-hop fight, Oscar was just fighting for paychecks and wasn't committed to boxing like he once was.

Pac on the other hand clearly ducked Joan Guzman.......they both cleaned out the division to the point where the only fight that made sense was with each other to crown the best......Guzman wanted it....challenged Pac directly.........Pac IMHO "wisely" avoided it............

I never got this one. He fought Marquez for a second time instead of Guzman. Marquez fight was for the ring title and if Pac would have faced Guzman instead....we would never hear the end of how Manny duck JMM. FWIW Guzman has never done anything significant in his career to even be considered a possible opponent for Manny and MAB, Morales, and Marquez were all better fighters at 130 than overrated as hell Guzman. Manny didn't duck that bum...so stop it guy.

there is always going to be fights that could have happened that didn't or should have.......you can name ones with almost every fighter.....somehow Mayweather gets held to a higher standard........

[trk]

This is absolutely true and it's his own damn fault. He had an opportunity to fight great fighters but he took the easy route in a majority of those situations. This is why even if he were to beat Manny, he would never pass him on an ATG status/ranking...something I have been saying for a long time.

Aside from Pacquiao, what "great fighters" did Floyd have an opportunity to fight that he didn't fight? If Floyd does fight Pacquiao, then almost all of the fighters that he didn't fight will have lost to the ones that he did fight.

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There is no one on Floyd resume that could beat Manny. Corrales is so overrated it's not even funny. Good fighter yes, but Marquez, Morales that fought Manny in the first fight, and even MAB could beat that version of Corrales that fought Floyd. People were too gassed up off his win over Manfredy, and while I like Angel, that kid has never been good. Even that limited version of Pac kills Corrales and the fight wouldn't even be close



He did have a historical run at 130...full props and credit for that. Also I don't knock him for the DLH fight and I have always gave him full credit for that. The only thing is that I don't think highly of Oscar, he is a HOF though, and even if Manny beat a 154 version of Oscar....I would give him a lot of credit for that win as well. Even before the B-hop fight, Oscar was just fighting for paychecks and wasn't committed to boxing like he once was.




I never got this one. He fought Marquez for a second time instead of Guzman. Marquez fight was for the ring title and if Pac would have faced Guzman instead....we would never hear the end of how Manny duck JMM. FWIW Guzman has never done anything significant in his career to even be considered a possible opponent for Manny and MAB, Morales, and Marquez were all better fighters at 130 than overrated as hell Guzman. Manny didn't duck that bum...so stop it guy.

i would bet my house that MAB or EM could not have beaten Corrales at 130..........

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There is no one on Floyd resume that could beat Manny. Corrales is so overrated it's not even funny. Good fighter yes, but Marquez, Morales that fought Manny in the first fight, and even MAB could beat that version of Corrales that fought Floyd. People were too gassed up off his win over Manfredy, and while I like Angel, that kid has never been good. Even that limited version of Pac kills Corrales and the fight wouldn't even be close



He did have a historical run at 130...full props and credit for that. Also I don't knock him for the DLH fight and I have always gave him full credit for that. The only thing is that I don't think highly of Oscar, he is a HOF though, and even if Manny beat a 154 version of Oscar....I would give him a lot of credit for that win as well. Even before the B-hop fight, Oscar was just fighting for paychecks and wasn't committed to boxing like he once was.




I never got this one. He fought Marquez for a second time instead of Guzman. Marquez fight was for the ring title and if Pac would have faced Guzman instead....we would never hear the end of how Manny duck JMM. FWIW Guzman has never done anything significant in his career to even be considered a possible opponent for Manny and MAB, Morales, and Marquez were all better fighters at 130 than overrated as hell Guzman. Manny didn't duck that bum...so stop it guy.

Guzman = overrated..........that's why other fighers avoid him........c'mon bro....he is undisciplined...but when it comes to adapting, he is on PBF and JMM level.....any fighter that can adapt so quickly is problematic.......i encourage you to watch Guzman ply his tcraft against Soto.......he is a bit of a genius TBH...........

[$Bullsfam$]

Floyd should have fought undefeated Cotto after Hatton. One of the most obvious ducks in boxing. Floyd had a great chance at winning that fight too.