How does this analysis of Tyson's style, psychology, relate to Floyd and Pac?

[Benny Leonard]

Watch the first 4 minutes and 30 seconds.

I've always used this as an example of what Tyson lost post-Rooney.
The style was built on specific system that needed to be run by the "programmer" (or someone that knew the program)...which is a little take off of what Bob Arum had to say about Tyson and why he declined and the reason why nobody else was able to get him working quite the same.



Let's try to have an intelligent conversation for once. If you only have one specific answer, cool...but it should be able to give you a number of them

[check hook]

Watch the first 4 minutes and 30 seconds.

I've always used this as an example of what Tyson lost post-Rooney.
The style was built on specific system that needed to be run by the "programmer" (or someone that knew the program)...which is a little take off of what Bob Arum had to say about Tyson and why he declined and the reason why nobody else was able to get him working quite the same.



Let's try to have an intelligent conversation for once. If you only have one specific answer, cool...but it should be able to give you a number of them

Rooney was great for Tyson's career......i am a huge Tyson fan....but i can't find much sympathy for him....he ruined himself.....

A Tyson who was physically and mentally prepared was in my view one of the greatest boxers to ever lace them up........

Contrary to what alot of ppl think Tyson had exemplary skills in the ring......good movement, slipping, countering and speed......the power was all secondary....once he stopped doing the things that allowed him to deliver that power he had in both hands he became just better than average......

A man who is 5 foot 11 cannot consistently and easily demolish men who are 6 foot 4 etc, outjab (yes Tyson actually had a good jab....on the rare occassion he bothered with it) tham etc if that man does not possess boxing skills......

[Monte Fisto]

Rooney was great for Tyson's career

That's one of the biggest bull**** ever. Tyson made Rooney look great. Tyson did destroy himself, and the people he chose to surround himself weren't any help either.

[Benny Leonard]

That's one of the biggest bull**** ever. Tyson made Rooney look great. Tyson did destroy himself, and the people he chose to surround himself weren't any help either.

Rooney knew that style and that style is all Tyson knew. Who else could teach that style, use the commands D'Amato taught, and knew the philosophy behind it?
How about the specific training drills and how to train a fighter like Tyson?

If you look at fights Post-Rooney, is anyone shouting out numbers during the fight?
Does any trainer have Tyson's attention in the corner?
Does Tyson responsd to their instructions during the fight?

Rooney may have not been perfect, even for Tyson, but he was better than anyone out there that came after. Remember, Tyson was very good when D'Amato was alive, but D'Amato died and Tyson continued to improve. Did Tyson do that on his own?
We saw what happened when Tyson listened to himself
and trained himself.
It's called "One Night in Tokyo"
Or was that a ****o

The only other people that knew that style was Teddy Altas which he isn't exactly the most stable guy on the block and I don't think would work with Tyson...and I guess Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson. Which, I did read that Floyd Patterson, after Tyson lost to Douglas, wanted to train Tyson for free. But I don't know if any word got back to Tyson. That would have been interesting.

But what kept the car still on track was helped by Jacobs who knew how to talk to Tyson. Once he was gone, King came in.

Why would Tyson, whose encyclopedic knowledge of boxing history must certainly include a chapter on fighters who have been financially exploited, decide to embrace King? Before the Spinks fight Tyson spoke of a void in his life: "Jimmy Jacobs [his comanager, who died last March of leukemia] used to come to me and say, 'Do you have any problems, and what do you want to do about them?' He made me feel like I was making the decisions. Now nobody does that." Of his choice of King as the one to fill the void, Tyson said in an interview with Larry Merchant of HBO after the Chávez-Ramírez fight, "Don King has helped me through a great deal of pressure. When I was going through the stress [his marital difficulties] Bill Cayton didn't care to put two cents in. No one else cared to help. So no one can tell me anything bad about Don King.... I'm saying Don King's been nothing but good to me."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7953/index.htm

And I agree; Tyson was his own worst enemy. Brought himself down.

[Left Hook Tua]

A man who is 5 foot 11 cannot consistently and easily demolish men who are 6 foot 4 etc, outjab (yes Tyson actually had a good jab....on the rare occassion he bothered with it) tham etc if that man does not possess boxing skills......

o really?

[Left Hook Tua]

my pet peeve about tyson criticisms:

he has NO HEART.



you do not beat tyson easily.

you had to take him out of there practically.

especially in the later stages of his career , even when the gameplan wasn't working tyson would just keep coming forward and keep taking a beating.

fighters with NO HEART don't do that. they don't keep on trying even when things are not working.



that's my tyson criticism pet peeve.

don't get me started on the tyson nuthuggers and their "tyson wasn't prime when he lost to douglas" talk.

[Thread Stealer]

Rooney wasn't a great trainer per se, but it was just a matter of chemistry. Certain trainers work well with certain fighters, and Rooney was the right trainer for Tyson.

Snowell eventually turned out to be a solid trainer, but he wasn't the right trainer for Mike (and was awful in Tokyo with the condom on the eye).

[DLT]

I didnt watch the vid because I just dont have time right now but I am very intrigued on how that vid relates to Floyd-Pac in any way. Then Ive skimmed through all the response post and I havent seen the word Pac or Floyd in there anywhere. So TS, am I missing something. Where you trying to say for us to talk about something other than Floyd & Pac or does the title really mean that this story can relate to Floyd & Pac. If so then how? Someone explain but the TS should be 1st since he obviously had something on his mind when he made this

[check hook]

my pet peeve about tyson criticisms:

he has NO HEART.



you do not beat tyson easily.

you had to take him out of there practically.

especially in the later stages of his career , even when the gameplan wasn't working tyson would just keep coming forward and keep taking a beating.

fighters with NO HEART don't do that. they don't keep on trying even when things are not working.



that's my tyson criticism pet peeve.

don't get me started on the tyson nuthuggers and their "tyson wasn't prime when he lost to douglas" talk.

"i was shocked and amazed at some of the shots he took" - Lennox Lewis