Too much credit is given for titles at numerous weight classes.

[jrosales13]

Who said anything about someone winning in every single one of those weight-classes?

Moving up from 112 to 115 isn't comparable or good as moving from 140 to 147

From 130 and below how many 4 division champs have there been in the history of the sport?

Now from 135 and above how many 4 division champs have there been in the history of the sport?

Now you said earlier that you box and 7 pounds makes a difference but 4 pounds doesn't. Now what weight-class do you box in?

Is it 112? If not then you really do not know how difficult it is to go from 112 to 115 since you do not have that body type or bone density now do you?

[jrosales13]

Is your ***** swelling? Need Ice

This thread applies to all fighters including PBF. I used Pacman as an example

Yea but Pacman was a bad example. As I clearly pointed out.

[madsweeney]

OK Flawless answer this question. How may people have won multiple titles in the original classes? Would you people rather go by those classes instead?

[madsweeney]

From 130 and below how many 4 division champs have there been in the history of the sport?

Now from 135 and above how many 4 division champs have there been in the history of the sport?

Now you said earlier that you box and 7 pounds makes a difference but 4 pounds doesn't. Now what weight-class do you box in?

Is it 112? If not then you really do not know how difficult it is to go from 112 to 115 since you do not have that body type or bone density now do you?

Nice point. It seems like there's alot more class-jumpers in the upper weight classes than the lower ones. Then again it might just be because they get more publicity.

[Flawless*]

OK Flawless answer this question. How may people have won multiple titles in the original classes? Would you people rather go by those classes instead?

I am not a boxing historian. I wouldn’t be able to answer the question. I think they should revert to the old weight classes with a few adjustments.

[Eusebio]

The creation of new weight classes provided great assistance for people trying to duck one another. Simply put their's way to many of them, and it leaves a void and that void is talent.

[AddiX]

Way too much credit is given to winning titles at numerous weight classes especially the lower weight classes . Look Pacman wins a title at 122,126 and 130. The difference is 8 pounds only and he is able to win 3 titles. All this is happening when Pacman walks heavier than these weight classes and is an around 147 pounds fight night. So that alone shows these feats are highly overrated.

Now look at Adamesk. I find his run from LHW to HW much more impressive and that of Roy Jones. From LHW to unlimited. A weight class which they are outweighed and not their normal weight.

The difference between 122 and 126 and 130 is 4 pounds between each division. While anything after 147 to 174, is 6 to 8 pounds difference. It's obvious no one who started at 140 is going to win world titles in 7 weight classes.


People use weight classes as justification as greatness. That doesn't really work

No offense, but I can almost guarantee you never boxed a day in your life.

Jumping weight from any division to another is a huge difference in most cases, and there's a reason only very good fighters can do it successfully.

It might seem like a small jump, but it makes a world of difference. Just look at when Darchinyan jumped weight. He's laying dudes out, jumps weight and his power was gone, goes back down and is right back to KO'ing cats.

[sweetpea87]

For sure. There are so many bastard divisions that never used to be there and can be only a few pounds apart. All these 4,5,6 division champs would only be 2 and 3 divisions champs back in the day.

[trk]

Nice point. It seems like there's alot more class-jumpers in the upper weight classes than the lower ones. Then again it might just be because they get more publicity.

What makes it hard for the people in the lowest weight divisions to move up is that the competition improves with each step up in weight. There are 269 active boxers at minimumweight, 437 active boxers at jr flyweight, and 696 active boxers at flyweight. Basically, the number of active boxers in the weight class increases with each step up in weight, until you get 1464 active boxers at welterweight. So you have more than 5 times as many people competing for the same number of titles at welterweight as you have at minimumweight. Additionally, the fighters at welterweight tend to be more experienced than the fighters at minimumweight. Therefore, it shouldn't be a surprise if most of the fighters at the really light weights aren't good enough to move up and win titles in the medium weights. This is also why I don't rate really small fighters like Ricardo Lopez very highly: he may have been undefeated, but there was really no one at those weights for him to fight.

[madsweeney]

What makes it hard for the people in the lowest weight divisions to move up is that the competition improves with each step up in weight. There are 269 active boxers at minimumweight, 437 active boxers at jr flyweight, and 696 active boxers at flyweight. Basically, the number of active boxers in the weight class increases with each step up in weight, until you get 1464 active boxers at welterweight. So you have more than 5 times as many people competing for the same number of titles at welterweight as you have at minimumweight. Additionally, the fighters at welterweight tend to be more experienced than the fighters at minimumweight. Therefore, it shouldn't be a surprise if most of the fighters at the really light weights aren't good enough to move up and win titles in the medium weights. This is also why I don't rate really small fighters like Ricardo Lopez very highly: he may have been undefeated, but there was really no one at those weights for him to fight.

Nice post, never even considered that even though I experienced similar difficulties when wrestling. Its even compounded when not only is the competition better, but you typically give up some of your physical advantages.