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  • Benny Leonard
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    Landis comes clean on PED use. Says Armstrong doped? Floyd, Manny, test needed now?

    Nearly four years after he began waging a battle to discredit his positive test for synthetic testosterone at the 2006 Tour de France, Floyd Landis told ESPN.com Wednesday that he used performance-enhancing drugs for most of his career.


    Nearly four years after he began waging a costly, draining and ultimately losing battle to discredit his positive test for synthetic testosterone at the 2006 Tour de France, Floyd Landis told ESPN.com on Wednesday that he used performance-enhancing drugs for most of his career as a professional road cyclist, including for the race whose title he briefly held.

    In a lengthy telephone interview from California, Landis detailed extensive, consistent use of the red blood cell booster erythropoietin (commonly known as EPO), testosterone, human growth hormone and frequent blood transfusions, along with female hormones and a one-time experiment with insulin, during the years he rode for the U.S. Postal Service and Switzerland-based Phonak teams.

    Landis confirmed he sent e-mails to cycling and anti-doping officials over the past few weeks, implicating dozens of other athletes, team management and owners and officials of the sport's national and international governing bodies. ESPN.com is seeking further evidence and comment from those individuals.

    Landis' doping conviction cost him his Tour title, his career, his life savings and his marriage. He said he knows his credibility is in tatters and that many people will choose not to believe him now. He added he has no documentation for many of the claims he is making about other riders or officials, and that it will be his word against theirs.

    However, Landis said he decided to come forward because he was suffering psychologically and emotionally from years of deceit, and he has become a cycling pariah with little to no chance of ever riding for an elite team again. Prior to speaking with ESPN.com, he said he made his most difficult phone call -- to his mother in Pennsylvania to tell her the truth for the first time.

    "I want to clear my conscience," Landis said. "I don't want to be part of the problem anymore.

    "With the benefit of hindsight and a somewhat different perspective, I made some misjudgments. And of course, I can sit here and say all day long, 'If I could do it again I'd do something different,' but I just don't have that choice.'"

    Landis said he takes full responsibility for having doped and added he was never forced or threatened.

    "I don't feel guilty at all about having doped," Landis told ESPN.com. "I did what I did because that's what we [cyclists] did and it was a choice I had to make after 10 years or 12 years of hard work to get there; and that was a decision I had to make to make the next step. My choices were, do it and see if I can win, or don't do it and I tell people I just don't want to do that, and I decided to do it."

    According to Landis, his first use of performance-enhancing drugs was in June 2002, when he was a member of the U.S. Postal Service team. The World Anti-Doping Agency's statute of limitations for doping offenses is eight years, and Landis said that, too, is part of his motivation for divulging his inflammatory information.

    "Now we've come to the point where the statute of limitations on the things I know is going to run out or start to run out next month," Landis said. "If I don't say something now, then it's pointless to ever say it."

    Landis, who began his career as a top mountain biker, had kept detailed training journals since he was a teenager. He said he continued the same methodical record-keeping once he started using banned drugs and techniques. Landis said he spent as much as $90,000 a year on performance-enhancing drugs and on consultants to help him build a training regime. Landis said he has kept all of his journals and diaries and has offered to share them with U.S. anti-doping authorities in recent meetings. He added that he has given officials detailed information on how athletes are beating drug testing.

    As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains the result was inaccurate and he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time. At this point, he does not want to dwell on any of the issues he and his lawyers hammered at during his case, he said.

    "There must be some other explanation, whether it was done wrong or I don't know what," he said.

    "The problem I have with even bothering to argue it is [that] I have used testosterone in the past and I have used it in other Tours, and it's going to sound kind of foolish to say I didn't."

    Landis exhausted most of his own savings in fighting his case, which cost an estimated $2 million. He also raised funds for his defense in a well-publicized effort. He said he would pay those donors back if he could, but does not have the money. He said he did not level with the people close to him, but declined to say whether he informed his lawyers of his past drug use.
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    funny, it was a urine test that nailed him

    original article in 2006



    Landis' team said his urine sample showed "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after his amazing come-from-behind performance in Stage 17 of the race last Thursday.

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      We should know by now that boxing's current drug testing is a complete joke and if you fail that test and you are an elite fighter you should be slapped.

      OSDT has been beaten in the past but continues to improve to keep up but I don't think there is anyone that can say that it catches everyone that cheats.

      Is it better than boxing's current test? For sure.

      Should OSDT, if used, be used to the full extent without making "cut-offs"? of course or why bother saying it is OSDT.

      But even if you pass OSDT does that make you clean in the eyes of the public? Most maybe but not all that remain skeptical given the knowledge of knowing others have beaten it in the past and more than likely still beat the best tests out there.
      That's why cheaters hire smart/educated people to help them.


      So what am I trying to say?

      I think most people cheat in life...even the best. Humans in general do what is needed to survive. If that involves cheating, lying, and some other things we can discuss...it does happen. And humans also like to turn a blind-eye to what is going on. It helps them cope with reality.

      There is also the issue of allowing PED use because that is "evolving" by some. Soon, maybe 30 years, maybe sooner...genetic engineering will take place and then what?
      Superman will get his ass kicked.


      I remember watching a documentary on PED use and in cycling they hired these "experts" to detect possible PED use by watching video. They would analyze the performance of the athlete. How much did he improve from this time for the last. That sort of thing.
      But you have to factor in what is available through "legal" means to help you and what isn't possible through "legal" means.



      So skipping ahead: Although I think Floyd is right to ask for OSDT, it also doesn't mean it can't be beaten.

      And say I was Pac, and say I was clean (since he hasn't been connected with anything and hasn't failed any tests)...and say I know OSDT can be beat and all of this news about cheaters passing tests and so on...and I feel that blood taken prior to a fight will do me harm going into a fight (even if it is mental)...then maybe there is a slight point he can make for his case in wanting a cut-off. Say, OSDT can be beat, I don't know if you are clean so why should I bother doing it if I feel it will take away from me. That puts me at a disadvantage.

      Of course the easy comeback is to say Floyd is doing the same test so it evens out but still...

      I see what Floyd is talking about and I see what Pac is talking about...but I'm a fan that wants to see this fight. I wish it were on "even playing field" but I also know we can never be sure in this era. So, maybe let's fight.

      Of course what I want doesn't mean it is right. It is still Floyd and Manny risking their life and not mine so it is easy for me to say.

      So if the fight happens, good...and if it doesn't, such is life.
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        Originally posted by shogunn
        funny, it was a urine test that nailed him

        original article in 2006

        http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=2531225
        And blood has nailed others while the urine didn't.

        Also:

        As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains the result was inaccurate and he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time. At this point, he does not want to dwell on any of the issues he and his lawyers hammered at during his case, he said.
        Last edited by Benny Leonard; 05-20-2010, 06:40 AM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Benny Leonard
          We should know by now that boxing's current drug testing is a complete joke and if you fail that test and you are an elite fighter you should be slapped.

          OSDT has been beaten in the past but continues to improve to keep up but I don't think there is anyone that can say that it catches everyone that cheats.

          Is it better than boxing's current test? For sure.

          Should OSDT, if used, be used to the full extent without making "cut-offs"? of course or why bother saying it is OSDT.

          But even if you pass OSDT does that make you clean in the eyes of the public? Most maybe but not all that remain skeptical given the knowledge of knowing others have beaten it in the past and more than likely still beat the best tests out there.
          That's why cheaters hire smart/educated people to help them.


          So what am I trying to say?

          I think most people cheat in life...even the best. Humans in general do what is needed to survive. If that involves cheating, lying, and some other things we can discuss...it does happen. And humans also like to turn a blind-eye to what is going on. It helps them cope with reality.

          There is also the issue of allowing PED use because that is "evolving" by some. Soon, maybe 30 years, maybe sooner...genetic engineering will take place and then what?
          Superman will get his ass kicked.


          I remember watching a documentary on PED use and in cycling they hired these "experts" to detect possible PED use by watching video. They would analyze the performance of the athlete. How much did he improve from this time for the last. That sort of thing.
          But you have to factor in what is available through "legal" means to help you and what isn't possible through "legal" means.



          So skipping ahead: Although I think Floyd is right to ask for OSDT, it also doesn't mean it can't be beaten.

          And say I was Pac, and say I was clean (since he hasn't been connected with anything and hasn't failed any tests)...and say I know OSDT can be beat and all of this news about cheaters passing tests and so on...and I feel that blood taken prior to a fight will do me harm going into a fight (even if it is mental)...then maybe there is a slight point he can make for his case in wanting a cut-off. Say, OSDT can be beat, I don't know if you are clean so why should I bother doing it if I feel it will take away from me. That puts me at a disadvantage.

          Of course the easy comeback is to say Floyd is doing the same test so it evens out but still...

          I see what Floyd is talking about and I see what Pac is talking about...but I'm a fan that wants to see this fight. I wish it were on "even playing field" but I also know we can ever be sure in this era. So, let's fight.

          Of course what I want doesn't mean it is right. It is still Floyd and Manny risking their life and not mine so it is easy for me to say.
          Good post, Benny. BTW, very interesting that Landis is about to tell-all and go public. There's already word that Lance Armstrong may be one of the names. If he tells WADA the ways the tests are beaten, as he says he will, things could get very interesting in sports around the world.

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            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            Good post, Benny. BTW, very interesting that Landis is about to tell-all and go public. There's already word that Lance Armstrong may be one of the names. If he tells WADA the ways the tests are beaten, as he says he will, things could get very interesting in sports around the world.
            But it also may just mean that WADA improves their test to catch the current cheaters and the cheaters eventually get better if they haven't already.

            That seems to be the mind-set we are dealing with. Cheaters are always one or two steps ahead.

            I'm not saying eventually, maybe years and years from now, with human evolution that takes us to a greater level (if we make it that far and don't blow each other up beforehand)...that we will finally be on an equal level with everyone (which I don't know)...but...eh...life...what can you do.

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              #7
              if its true lance and everyone beat wada, then wada is still behind. But we'll never know unless lance fesses up.

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                Originally posted by Benny Leonard
                But it also just mean that WADA improves their test to catch the current cheaters and the cheaters eventually get better if they haven't already.

                That seems to be the mind-set we are dealing with. Cheaters are always one or two steps ahead.
                Yeah, it's a never ending cycle. Hopefully, they'll have to lay low for a while until new methods of beating the tests are introduced.

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                  Originally posted by shogunn
                  if its true lance and everyone beat wada, then wada is still behind. But we'll never know unless lance fesses up.
                  Kinda scary when you realize boxing's tests (those that test, anyway) are a joke compared to WADA.

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                    Originally posted by shogunn
                    if its true lance and everyone beat wada, then wada is still behind. But we'll never know unless lance fesses up.
                    As I was writing about this I did notice a part of me wants to turn a blind eye and just hope both are clean since I lean toward that...at least just to see the fight. Hey, I'm human

                    If they are both clean, great.
                    If one is cheating and the other isn't...that's life.
                    If both are cheating...that's life too.

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