LMAO At Frank Warren............

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It's not going well for Frank this week!

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BTW, awas88,


if K-Mitch truly can't make 130 healthily anymore, then he still needs an upgrade in coaching along with a variety of progressively proving, testing fights at 135 to settle into the weight, not just cans to knock down.

If you've been observant of how his career's been moved along (I've been there from the jump), then you already saw how he dealt with the first real unknown quantity they took a small risk on, journeyman Walter Estrada, who smacked Mitchell about and made him look like ****. 'No southpaw sparring' was the excuse that time - how amateur is that and what does it say about how Mitchell's been handled?

[Gordon_Gekko]

Frank has Cleverly moving towards a world title shot in the next 1-1.5years, Kell Brook moving to the top within the next 2-3 years and then De Gale and Gavin at 24 starting well and Billy Joe Saunders at 20 with 6 wins already. Hopefully one of these guys will make it the very top. I think the contract with the latter three when he signed them was £1m+ ($2m) so he is expecting big things. I also think Tony Bellew could make some waves at light-heavyweight division.

[awas88]

What has that got to with anything? They're close, of course Mitchell will laud him. That means literally nothing.

And you know nothing if you think Mitchell is going to get off the plateau he's on by staying with Tibbs. If that latter happens, watch and see, I'll be right, and I won't be happy for it.
Because you think Khan's a class above Mitchell, Mitchell doesn't deserve the opportunity to develop his own talent after being sold short so far by his promoter?

Warren setting up this big night for Mitchell doesn't make up for years of poor development and handling of his career - if anything, it's just the peak of a ****ty job, the final tinsel-covered insult. Nobody with a clue believed Mitchell was prepared, or that the development of his potential had come along, adequately for this. He was thrown to the lions.

I agree with the rest of youre post but not the bolded part. Mitchel only joined tibbs a few fights ago man and everybody agreed that it was a gd move from seeing how much more diciplined mitchel looked etc and how he was using his boxing skills. Like I said,Mitchel has stated numerous of times that hes improved dramatically under tibbs. So changing trainer has nothing to do getting him of his plateu. The key is the level of competion which youve hinted at yourself with you saying'' make up for years of poor development and handling of his career ''. Then again Mitch was injured for 2 years as well wasnt he. I just think the jump to kats was too big and he needed a gradual step up in comp. The prescott fight gave warren too much confidence but he was outboxed by a mexican already just the fight before and we can see that he is really just a C class fighter

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kell brook the next one,hes a very good and exciting boxer

[awas88]

BTW, awas88,


if K-Mitch truly can't make 130 healthily anymore, then he still needs an upgrade in coaching along with a variety of progressively proving, testing fights at 135 to settle into the weight, not just cans to knock down.
If you've been observant of how his career's been moved along (I've been there from the jump), then you already saw how he dealt with the first real unknown quantity they took a small risk on, journeyman Walter Estrada, who smacked Mitchell about and made him look like ****. 'No southpaw sparring' was the excuse that time - how amateur is that and what does it say about how Mitchell's been handled?

Exactly. Like I said the team put too much emphasis on the prescott fight

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I agree with the rest of youre post but not the bolded part. Mitchel only joined tibbs a few fights ago man and everybody agreed that it was a gd move from seeing how much more diciplined mitchel looked etc and how he was using his boxing skills. Like I said,Mitchel has stated numerous of times that hes improved dramatically under tibbs. So changing trainer has nothing to do getting him of his plateu. The key is the level of competion which youve hinted at yourself with you saying'' make up for years of poor development and handling of his career ''. Then again Mitch was injured for 2 years as well wasnt he. I just think the jump to kats was too big and he needed a gradual step up in comp. The prescott fight gave warren too much confidence but he was outboxed by a mexican already just the fight before and we can see that he is really just a C class fighter

Well, we can agree to disagree on the bolded point. I'm not saying Tibbs is all wrong for Kevin, I'm just saying Tibbs, for his positives, isn't the level Mitchell really needs to make the most of his potential. We can differ on that, though.


FWIW, I've been calling for Kevin to be sent to the US for a few years now, a couple of my other posts on the subject in other threads tonight explain my reasoning.
From what I heard, he actually got a taste of it a year or so back and there was speculation a permanent move for him to train in the States would be arranged - it just wasn't followed up on. Kevin's hardly going to speak badly of Tibbs if that's the arrangement the circumstances put him in, of course he's going to say that Tibbs is the only man for the job.

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And I'm gutted for Kevin, to be perfectly honest.


That I saw it coming a ways back doesn't make it any less dispiriting.

[Ray*]

Well according to tibbs (mitchell's trainer) kevin didn't prepare enough for the fight, kevin didn't take the fight too seriously.

Really? Did you hear this in a post fight interview, Ray?

If he didn't take this fight seriously then he's got mental problems, regardless he just didn't look physically strong enough to compete

A mere early morning training run from his beloved Dagenham manor, Kevin Mitchell's supposedly rising career was given an unwanted pause by Michael Katsidis before 14,000 fans at Upton Park, including actor Ray Winstone and Joe Cole, who came straight from helping Chelsea to the FA Cup at Wembley.

The resulting press conference became a minor inquisition, with Jimmy Tibbs, Mitchell's trainer, unable to keep the lid on why he believed the defeat arrived. He said: "Preparation – if you want to be a world champion at any level you've got live a life. I told him weeks ago, you are not preparing like you did for Breidis Prescott [beaten by Mitchell last December]."

To his credit, the 25-year-old was honest enough to admit: "About five weeks ago I wasn't preparing myself right. One minute I'm living at my mum's, the next at my flat – I was in shape, but he did the job."

This came as a revelation to Frank Warren, Mitchell's promoter, who reacted sharply. "It really pisses me off when I hear this," he said. "If he don't play the game, don't waste my time. Kevin now has to really learn from this; if he wants to be a world champion and play the game, I'm the person to help him. But can he come back? I think he can."

Hoping to claim the WBO interim lightweight world title from Katsidis, Mitchell's hopes were extinguished after only 1 minute 57 seconds of the third round, courtesy of a flint-hard opponent whose last trip to the capital three years ago served notice of his menace. That outing had been a war with Graham Earl, which Katsidis had ended in the fifth to light up the Greek-Australian's name on these shores and allow him to move on to America, where he twice claimed this belt, having suffered back-to-back losses between those triumphs.

Before this clash Mitchell had been honest enough to concede that nearly all fighters lose in their careers: the challenge is how they return, he reckoned. Yet the 25-year-old will hate the experience of what was a very public disrobing of his boxing smarts.

"It's one of those things, I knew it was a big punch and I knew it was very heavy handed," Mitchell said of the left hook that effectively ended his night. "He did well, moved off me, boxed me, lured me in for the attack; the **** caught me. Good shot, good fighter; [but] I'll come back from that. You can't be making mistakes in a game like that. I made a mistake and I paid for it."

Mitchell admitted he had been fooled by what he thought were Katsidis's tactics. He added: "My game plan was perfect in the first round. Then I've seen him take a walk in the second, so I sat on him a little bit, but he rushed me and I went back in a straight line; that wasn't my plan to go back in a straight line. And he caught me with one. It's a wake up call to be more professional, be a bit more aware in the ring. But I'll be back in after summer, ready to go again – 100%. I still think I can win a world title."

Mitchell, whose ring name "The Hammer" offers a clue to his footballing allegiance, had strolled in to his biggest night on the canvas to a stirring rendition of the national anthem by Stacey Solomon, of X-factor fame.

Yet while each man had promised a tear-up of the other's features, it was Mitchell who was about to be offered the lesson in simple, relentless punching. The opening round featured the local boy being clipped by the older boxer, who knocked him on to the ropes to trap him there with worrying ease under a barrage of fists.

If Tibbs warned his man to stay away from the corners and ropes during the break between the first and second three minutes, the 24-year-old failed to hear. Katsidis is known for an almost atavistic preference for squaring the ring off, and he fought the second perpetually moving forward. This time, though, he did find a Mitchell who managed to mix his scampering footwork with some sweetly smooth combinations. The third round, though, was about to unfold.

Earlier James "Chunky" DeGale, the reigning Olympic middleweight champion, won the vacant WBA international super-middleweight belt, a lesser rated title, against Sam Horton in the fifth, with a three-punch combination that ended in a right that spun his opponent to the floor. "I want to be world champion by 2012," he said.

In the final professional fight before retiring, Danny Williams ended his career with a disappointing second round knockout from the fists of Derek "Del Boy" Chisora, who became the new British heavyweight champion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/15/kevin-mitchell-stopped-by-michael-kastidis

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MIB is right really these young English guys should be going and being coached by THE top trainers, Mitchell is young but that's not much excuse for how he fought after he got hurt. Go down, clinch (Dave Parris would have let him), Take a Knee. but don't go to the ropes and try fight fire with fire...

Mitchell should take a note out of Khan's book hire a top trainer and imo drop down to 130, he has looked tiny vs Presscot and Kastidas. I can't understand/don't believe the stuff about poor training.. if you can't get yourself up for a huge fight which could lead to a fight vs a HOF in Marquez.. that's not right.