RIP Pacquiao v Mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

so you're basically saying that without arum pac would do just what floyd wants him to?

No Brick not at all!I'm saying that with Manny more in control we'd have less of the BS!

You've seen my posts and know I don't think manny is notdirty just because floyd sr. said so. I always give him the benefit of the doubt. It's hard for me to accept the do what floyd says argument because floyd agreed to manny's (bob's) demands.

Manny is an ex kickboxer with a 3rd grade education from a foreign country. I understand why Bob was necessary in the 1st place to help groom his career. That said, he needs to see Bob for what he is, just like Floyd and ODH.

Manny doesn't need a promoter anymore. He needs good money managers! he needs advisers who tell him the truth. He doesn't need a guy promoting him who is having him give 7-10 different excuses as to why he wont take tests! You know why?

It doesn't hurt Bob if manny is a liar or a cheater. (Just like Margarito). Bob knows much of manny's fan base will follow him regardless. He can make fights between manny and other top rank guys and Bob will keep making money for Bob. Wont matter if Manny's name or legacy is tarnished.

Floyd and ODH, implementing their own business models, have significantly changed boxing. Belts, organizations, promoters have all been reduced in importance. I think this is good and I think Manny is so good he can create another line in this model.

Either way, I want Manny to speak for Manny. Its his life his career his image his legacy. He has to see Bob is compromising that to make more money for top rank. I think if he had more control he would've handled the OST issue in a better way.

[NesNY]

sucks this fight won't ever happen.

as was mentioned, imagine Ali or Robinson, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard not fighting each other over "random blood/urine testing".

[The Big Dunn]

sucks this fight won't ever happen.

as was mentioned, imagine Ali or Robinson, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard not fighting each other over "random blood/urine testing".

Can't do that because PED's werent prrevalent during that time period.

Imagine Ali fighting for the IBF, WBO, or IBC world belts? Can't because they weren't around then. Cmon.

[War Dinamita]

Both boneheads camps are pitching other names (cheato/Martinez) around other than the ones we want in hopes they can bait each other. Its making these 2 fuuckers not wanna fight even more. I think both camps need to STFU and keep the negotiations private, if there’ll ever be one.

You need to relax and don't get your panties all in a bunch.

Floyd is his own boss and he's going to fight whoever he wants. Arum decides who Manny is going to fight and Manny really has no say in anything.

Stop talking **** about Team Mayweather because Team Money May never said anything about Floyd fighting Martinez. They asked Floyd if he would fight Martinez and he said possibly. Floyd never said he wanted to fight Martinez or anyone else. He wants to fight Pacquiao because he wants to dominate him just like he did to the two guys Manny ducked.

Team Mayweather never made the negotiations public. They never said anything about Manny. Roach and Team Pacquiao are the only people talking **** and talking to the media.

[brick wall]

No Brick not at all!I'm saying that with Manny more in control we'd have less of the BS!

You've seen my posts and know I don't think manny is notdirty just because floyd sr. said so. I always give him the benefit of the doubt. It's hard for me to accept the do what floyd says argument because floyd agreed to manny's (bob's) demands.

Manny is an ex kickboxer with a 3rd grade education from a foreign country. I understand why Bob was necessary in the 1st place to help groom his career. That said, he needs to see Bob for what he is, just like Floyd and ODH.

Manny doesn't need a promoter anymore. He needs good money managers! he needs advisers who tell him the truth. He doesn't need a guy promoting him who is having him give 7-10 different excuses as to why he wont take tests! You know why?

It doesn't hurt Bob if manny is a liar or a cheater. (Just like Margarito). Bob knows much of manny's fan base will follow him regardless. He can make fights between manny and other top rank guys and Bob will keep making money for Bob. Wont matter if Manny's name or legacy is tarnished.

Floyd and ODH, implementing their own business models, have significantly changed boxing. Belts, organizations, promoters have all been reduced in importance. I think this is good and I think Manny is so good he can create another line in this model.

Either way, I want Manny to speak for Manny. Its his life his career his image his legacy. He has to see Bob is compromising that to make more money for top rank. I think if he had more control he would've handled the OST issue in a better way.

lol that's was a long reply i almost didn't bother to read it but i got what you're saying. the thing is you're getting too deep into this mess...well that's all fine but for me all i want is for this fight to happen from a boxing fan's perspective of course. i never thought that this kind of negotiation could become so complicated that's why i totally agree with the ts...**** em both if they can't agree on something.

[Mr. Chago]

yeah too bad. cause floyd won't escape the 2nd round with pac like he did mosley.

If you watch closely you think it was a coincidence that it happened??!!

And Mosley wasn't able to do that in the whole fight again??!!...it gives you hope PAC can do that doesn't it??!...LOL

[mrsjt]

this **** has to happen. period.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah bricky it was a lil long but thats just where my head is at.

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