Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – Shoot First, Ask Questions Later

[jtiger78]

Wow..That's all i have to say about that..

mediatakeout lmao!!!!!!!

[HaglerSteelChin]

I more than happy to debate Griesman over the issue of Pac and PEDs. He can come to our boxing site anytime, anyplace. Nobody can say certain either way, but i am sure this writer never even see most of pac's fights.


In fact, i will give him an email that I sent to ring magazine. I guess he is more of an expert than some of the doctors about the issue. He should go to the medical advisory board to both the New York State Athletic Commission and Nevada State Athlethic Commission and see what he can offer to the debate of PED's.?

[jtiger78]

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I'm going to make a few solid good points, and I'm sure you'll be on the same page as me. I was going to write Breadman, but making solid points would probably make him skip and ignore my email.

1) Awesome fight by Mayweather. He got rocked in the 2nd round and like a true warrior he is, he adjested, stayed calm, and did what he had to do! Cong**** to him.

2) Like De la Hoya said, Mayweather dictates what happens in the negotiations with a Pac fight. For starters, he averages more PPV buys per PPV event. Against common opponents, he sold much much more PPVs. He definitely deserves 60-40 in his favor. Pac got everything he wanted (minus the stricter drug testing thing) the first time they tried to make the fight, Mayweather shouldn't let that happen again.

3) Mayweather needs to stick to his guns with the stricter drug testing. Mosley admitted to taking steroids yet he never tested positive for ANYTHING illegal. The only way we knew was because he admitted it. How many more boxers are out there that take steroids or any other illegal substance that don't test positive? Guys like James Toney and Fernando Vargas got caught AFTER their fights. Don't you think cheaters should get caught before they step foot in the ring? The system is obviously flawed. Is Floyd's way the best way to do it? Maybe, maybe not, but he's trying. I don't get why he gets criticized for doing something that NEEDS to be done. I heard they don't even drug test in Texas. With the NSAC considering blood testing in Nevada, I don't see Pac ever wanting to fight in Vegas again.

4) For anyone that thinks Mayweather used the drug testing as an excuse to get out of the Pac fight, Mayweather is no psychic, how would he ever thought Pac was going to say no to stricter drug testing?? Did he also know Pac was going to say no to 14 days cut off? People need to come up with new excuses to put the blame on Mayweather, cause that one doesn't make sense.

5) People saying that Mayweather has never asked for this before, why now? Well at one point, someone decided to switch fights from 15 rounds to 12 rounds. It all has to start somewhere. Why not the biggest fight in the history of boxing?? When was the last time the best 2 fighters in the world in any weight class fought each other? When was the last time a fight was guaranteed to smash all records? When was the last time anyone anticipated a fight as much as this one? Why not implement a stricter drug testing program to show the world that the best fighters in the world are all natural? It all has to start somewhere, why not then? What if he asked Marquez and Marquez said "he didn't ask Hatton"... What if he asked Hatton, Hatton would of said "he never asked Oscar"... It all has to start somewhere!!

6) I'm calling Manny's bull****. At first he kept saying he wanted a 30 day cut off date. Then a video came out showing him getting blood taken 24 days before his Hatton fight... So then Pac said he wanted a 24 day cut off date. But again, 19 days before his clottey fight, there is a video of him getting blood taken. So I guess he has no problem giving blood, just as long as it's not for drug testing!!! His excuse for making him weak is BS too. Three days after he gave blood, Ariza and Roach said Pac had his greatest day of training to date in his camp against clottey. http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=25619

How people can't see Pac doesn't want to fight is beyond me. Nothing but excuses from this guy. Let's not forget he's scared of needles, wait, he's superstitious, wait, he's scared he'll faint, wait, how many excuses does he have?

[HaglerSteelChin]

I'm going to make a few solid good points, and I'm sure you'll be on the same page as me. I was going to write Breadman, but making solid points would probably make him skip and ignore my email.

1) Awesome fight by Mayweather. He got rocked in the 2nd round and like a true warrior he is, he adjested, stayed calm, and did what he had to do! Cong**** to him.

2) Like De la Hoya said, Mayweather dictates what happens in the negotiations with a Pac fight. For starters, he averages more PPV buys per PPV event. Against common opponents, he sold much much more PPVs. He definitely deserves 60-40 in his favor. Pac got everything he wanted (minus the stricter drug testing thing) the first time they tried to make the fight, Mayweather shouldn't let that happen again.

3) Mayweather needs to stick to his guns with the stricter drug testing. Mosley admitted to taking steroids yet he never tested positive for ANYTHING illegal. The only way we knew was because he admitted it. How many more boxers are out there that take steroids or any other illegal substance that don't test positive? Guys like James Toney and Fernando Vargas got caught AFTER their fights. Don't you think cheaters should get caught before they step foot in the ring? The system is obviously flawed. Is Floyd's way the best way to do it? Maybe, maybe not, but he's trying. I don't get why he gets criticized for doing something that NEEDS to be done. I heard they don't even drug test in Texas. With the NSAC considering blood testing in Nevada, I don't see Pac ever wanting to fight in Vegas again.

4) For anyone that thinks Mayweather used the drug testing as an excuse to get out of the Pac fight, Mayweather is no psychic, how would he ever thought Pac was going to say no to stricter drug testing?? Did he also know Pac was going to say no to 14 days cut off? People need to come up with new excuses to put the blame on Mayweather, cause that one doesn't make sense.

5) People saying that Mayweather has never asked for this before, why now? Well at one point, someone decided to switch fights from 15 rounds to 12 rounds. It all has to start somewhere. Why not the biggest fight in the history of boxing?? When was the last time the best 2 fighters in the world in any weight class fought each other? When was the last time a fight was guaranteed to smash all records? When was the last time anyone anticipated a fight as much as this one? Why not implement a stricter drug testing program to show the world that the best fighters in the world are all natural? It all has to start somewhere, why not then? What if he asked Marquez and Marquez said "he didn't ask Hatton"... What if he asked Hatton, Hatton would of said "he never asked Oscar"... It all has to start somewhere!!

6) I'm calling Manny's bull****. At first he kept saying he wanted a 30 day cut off date. Then a video came out showing him getting blood taken 24 days before his Hatton fight... So then Pac said he wanted a 24 day cut off date. But again, 19 days before his clottey fight, there is a video of him getting blood taken. So I guess he has no problem giving blood, just as long as it's not for drug testing!!! His excuse for making him weak is BS too. Three days after he gave blood, Ariza and Roach said Pac had his greatest day of training to date in his camp against clottey. http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=25619

How people can't see Pac doesn't want to fight is beyond me. Nothing but excuses from this guy. Let's not forget he's scared of needles, wait, he's superstitious, wait, he's scared he'll faint, wait, how many excuses does he have?

Here are fair and balance articles on the issue of PED's without taking sides and just stating the importance of proper testing.

http://www.boxing-articles.com/will-...nt-for-boxing/

http://www.boxing-articles.com/nevad...sting-program/


What is Mr. Greisman's response to those articles?

[Lorily]

Great article!! Big UPs to David Greisman!

[jtiger78]

I guess my problem in this whole thing as I have said it that BOTH fighters asked things that were over the top, things they hadn’t asked for in the past, so it goes both ways. I have not heard one person who was calling Floyd a chicken or saying he was being ridiculous ever mention that Manny asking for 10 million per pound or fraction over 147 being something that was not ridiculous, which it is. Most people want it one way but no the other. People like to use stats and numbers and excuses to tell one side of the story or make a strong argument in their favor.

[flour]

lmao@ the article describing what *****s do day in and day out

[PH|L]

4) For anyone that thinks Mayweather used the drug testing as an excuse to get out of the Pac fight, Mayweather is no psychic, how would he ever thought Pac was going to say no to stricter drug testing?? Did he also know Pac was going to say no to 14 days cut off? People need to come up with new excuses to put the blame on Mayweather, cause that one doesn't make sense.

How people can't see Pac doesn't want to fight is beyond me. Nothing but excuses from this guy. Let's not forget he's scared of needles, wait, he's superstitious, wait, he's scared he'll faint, wait, how many excuses does he have?

Let me ask you something. You said Floyd is no psychic, but did you ever think that Pacquiao is no psychic either?

You say "Did Floyd know Pac was going to say no to the 14 days cutoff date"

But you don't say "Did Pac know that Floyd was giong to say no to the 24 days cutoff date"

It's this kind of double-standard that people need to get over. If Pac didn't want the fight, he wouldn't have wasted all that time negotiating. He wouldn't have offered a 24-day cutoff date either. He would have called it off and signed another fight much sooner and promoted it more instead of finding himself with a 7 week training camp and a poorly promoted fight. Floyd is no psychic, that's true. But Pac is no psychic either.

[Pullcounter]

lmao@ the article describing what *****s do day in and day out

yep.... typical ***** tactic: lie about something loud enough and enough times and it becomes "truth".

[hahaa]

I more than happy to debate Griesman over the issue of Pac and PEDs. He can come to our boxing site anytime, anyplace. Nobody can say certain either way, but i am sure this writer never even see most of pac's fights.


In fact, i will give him an email that I sent to ring magazine. I guess he is more of an expert than some of the doctors about the issue. He should go to the medical advisory board to both the New York State Athletic Commission and Nevada State Athlethic Commission and see what he can offer to the debate of PED's.?

Oh the Irony!