Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – Shoot First, Ask Questions Later

[PAKYO]

i get where this columnist is coming from, i really do, but i have two issues with what he wrote...

1) whether cintron dived through the ropes or not is one thing, but the guy lay motionless for ten minutes because he was winded. i honestly don't think this columnist has ever been winded. are we never supposed to question athletes? this is not the same as the dirrell/abraham ****, or the pacroid nonsense. people who say that cintron milked it have plain evidence to support the theory. if he was winded then get up and give the fans the fight they paid for. he was WINDED ffs! that is nothing. if you're ok you get up and get in the ring. cintron has no-one to blame for the fans doubting him but himself. im sorry mr columnist but you have that aspect of your column way wrong...

2) when you become a drug cheat, it doesnt matter how nice a guy you are, you are forever subject to scepticism. if you are a drug cheat like shane mosley you will always be questioned in this regard. he has to deal with it. im sorry mr columnist but teddy atlas is perfectly entitled to question a fighter that has corrupted the sport of boxing by taking drugs. whose side are u on here? a drug cheat, or a man who wants to clean up the sport? you seriously need to rethink this issue.

other than those two points i agree bwith what you have said. there is far too much assuming going on these days. HOWEVER, particularly with mosley, there is no assuming involved. mosley is and always will be guilty and he has to live with that. to his credit he does live with it and has shown remorse. why cant u live with it mr columnist?

as for cintron? please... the vast majority trust what their eyes told them on saturday night; there was no injury, just a guy looking for an easy night's pay. can i say for 100% certain that he was faking? yes i can, because being winded would never stop me from getting up and fighting after a ten minute break. would it stop you?

Would have applauded you on your effort to counter the writer's rants until i read this

or a man who wants to clean up the sport

...

Seriously, you really believe floyd is out to clean the sport?

If you do, i'm trying to sell big ben for a 1,000 pounds only you might be interested.

[HumanNature]

Wow, long read! but great read.

[ghost deini]

i think the comments towards cintron where kind of unfair but he said after the fight that he was only winded then why not continue now he wants a rematch

so the fans have to pay to see what looked like it was going to be a cagey boring fight anyway so cintron can get another healthy paycheck

i think it should have been ruled a N/C but rules are rules and he lost the fight

as for the atlas comments i think they were warranted alot of people were probably thinking that same thing but didn't have the balls to say it

[dcull111]

Would have applauded you on your effort to counter the writer's rants until i read this ...

Seriously, you really believe floyd is out to clean the sport?

If you do, i'm trying to sell big ben for a 1,000 pounds only you might be interested.

no lol, i meant teddy atlas, not floyd, no way!!!!

[dcull111]

It's as the writer says. Simple minds take everything and make it mean everything. You're talking like you know a lot but it's seems the other way around. You can keep your grand conspiracies to your self, my friend.

yeah? well im a simple mind who just handed in his last university assignment this morning my friend and will be getting a very good degree. but anyways, would u care to address my post instead of insulting my intelligence, or are u just a condescending ass without a brain of your own?

[dcull111]

i think the comments towards cintron where kind of unfair but he said after the fight that he was only winded then why not continue now he wants a rematch

so the fans have to pay to see what looked like it was going to be a cagey boring fight anyway so cintron can get another healthy paycheck

i think it should have been ruled a N/C but rules are rules and he lost the fight

as for the atlas comments i think they were warranted alot of people were probably thinking that same thing but didn't have the balls to say it

careful now, according to some people you are showing paranoid tendencies rather than trusting your own eyes

[toners3]

Well, well, well...all of a sudden we are being accused of being pessimists, false accusers, and idiots. I have one question - what else are we supposed to do? We are intelligent people, with valid questions and su****ions! What is wrong about questioning a fighter's heart? Or his decision making ability??? Should we not have questioned Valero and "observances" about him?? Look at what happened there. Period. We have the unfortunate position to observe, question, and make assumptions. We do not have the privilege to ask Mr. Cintron himself whether he intentionally threw himself out of the ring do we? So should we stay quiet until we can ask him? I agree that we arent physicists, but please Mr. Boxing Writer, do you really know us? Do you know me? Let's not make assumptions shall we? Or judgements about our intelligence for that matter. We may never know the truth about cintron, mosley, or tyson's quirky ring tactics - oh wait, let's turn our cheek and not ask questions....uh, I dont think so. As fans of boxing, we deserve to pursue the truth. We may never find it, and honestly Mr. Boxing Writer, you may never find it either. But at least, the truth, in whatever shape or form it comes, is all we have to try to hold on high this sport we love. We cannot sit back and withhold questions about something that appears inconsistent, unstable, and/or su****ious. To give people the benefit of the doubt is foolish in this sport. Unfortunately in boxing, its characters haven't been the most honest and pure. Here is another name for you: Louis Resto. We aren't being pessimistic, dumb, or simple...we are simply wary of that which we've seen before. There's nothing wrong or bad about that.

[dcull111]

Well, well, well...all of a sudden we are being accused of being pessimists, false accusers, and idiots. I have one question - what else are we supposed to do? We are intelligent people, with valid questions and su****ions! What is wrong about questioning a fighter's heart? Or his decision making ability??? Should we not have questioned Valero and "observances" about him?? Look at what happened there. Period. We have the unfortunate position to observe, question, and make assumptions. We do not have the privilege to ask Mr. Cintron himself whether he intentionally threw himself out of the ring do we? So should we stay quiet until we can ask him? I agree that we arent physicists, but please Mr. Boxing Writer, do you really know us? Do you know me? Let's not make assumptions shall we? Or judgements about our intelligence for that matter. We may never know the truth about cintron, mosley, or tyson's quirky ring tactics - oh wait, let's turn our cheek and not ask questions....uh, I dont think so. As fans of boxing, we deserve to pursue the truth. We may never find it, and honestly Mr. Boxing Writer, you may never find it either. But at least, the truth, in whatever shape or form it comes, is all we have to try to hold on high this sport we love. We cannot sit back and withhold questions about something that appears inconsistent, unstable, and/or su****ious. To give people the benefit of the doubt is foolish in this sport. Unfortunately in boxing, its characters haven't been the most honest and pure. Here is another name for you: Louis Resto. We aren't being pessimistic, dumb, or simple...we are simply wary of that which we've seen before. There's nothing wrong or bad about that.

very good post...

[Left2theliver]

Good article...unfortunately, i highly doubt the people reading that are gonna take in what you're trying to get at...Some people are rght, NSB isnt neessarily about boxing anymore...

[Mike Hawk]

just a few with something in common, mark mcguire, barry bonds, sammy sosa ....... never officially failed a drug test ......brittany spears, george bush and the guy who wrote this..... officially idiots

you never failed a gay test....but you could still be gay....

go to sleep fool...