You have to be an idiot to make the following claims

**etlux** · 05-08-2010, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by ballgamessuck

Paq haters make some ridiculous claims in their attempts to discredit him. I am a Paq fan, but I am aware he has some limitations. However, some of the things people say are just ******, pointless, and outright lies. One is "Paq ducked Shane". Bull****, leading up to his fight with Hatton it was already known Cotto would be his next opponent, they both have the same promoter, it was a fight that would sell good, and the timing was right, Cotto having fought Clottey a few weeks earlier. Shane tried to interject himself into the picture when a weight dispute came up, the issue was resolved and the fight was made. I guess Paq's haters think he should have abandoned negotiations that were already in progress and gone in another direction. Idiotic claim number two is "Marquez beat Paq twice" Quite simply, no he didnt. Final. The first fight Paq scored three knockdowns and got outboxed most of the remaining rounds. In the rematch Paq scored one knockdown and boxed JMM pretty evenly for the remaining rounds. This shows improvement in Paq's boxing skills from fight one to fight two. And the final scorecards in his fights with JMM are Paq with a draw and a win. Jmm no more beat Paq twice than JLC beat Floyd twice. Idiotic claim number three is used in an attempt to undermine Paq's reputation, and that is "Morales beat Paq, so Paq isnt very good". While this is true, they always forget to mention what happened in the rematches, Paq wiped the floor with Morales in both rematches. The final idiotic claim is "Paq was knocked out twice by nobodies". Again, while this is true, it is totally irrelevent today. Paq was knocked out twice early in his career when he was a crude, one handed power puncher with no boxing skills and no footwork. That was a long time ago, and Paq today is a totally different, vastly improved fighter. Using any of these arguments against Paq are easily disproved and makes the people who use them look foolish.

just as you claim to be able to easily disprove arguments i can easily disprove all of yours.

for one the shane argument stands because we have roach's direct words and quote so you fail there

for morales, he owned Pac and then was beaten badly by Zahir Raheem, it was only after this that Pac was able to beat a faded Morales so you fail there too.

If it wasn't for the 3 anomalous knockdowns in the first round, JMM would have won as he dominated Pac for the rest of the rounds, you fail again.

I can go on and on

**bojangles1987** · 05-08-2010, 11:01 AM

Yep. If Marquez beat Pac then Castillo beat Mayweather. That's the rule now. Exact same rule applies.

**bojangles1987** · 05-08-2010, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by etlux

just as you claim to be able to easily disprove arguments i can easily disprove all of yours.

for one the shane argument stands because we have roach's direct words and quote so you fail there

for morales, he owned Pac and then was beaten badly by Zahir Raheem, it was only after this that Pac was able to beat a faded Morales so you fail there too.

If it wasn't for the 3 anomalous knockdowns in the first round, JMM would have won as he dominated Pac for the rest of the rounds, you fail again.

I can go on and on

Because knockdowns don't count and Pac was supposed to completely abandon negotiations with Cotto because of Mosley.

Castillo beat Mayweather.

**Castor_Troy** · 05-08-2010, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by ballgamessuck

Paq haters make some ridiculous claims in their attempts to discredit him. I am a Paq fan, but I am aware he has some limitations. However, some of the things people say are just ******, pointless, and outright lies. One is "Paq ducked Shane". Bull****, leading up to his fight with Hatton it was already known Cotto would be his next opponent, they both have the same promoter, it was a fight that would sell good, and the timing was right, Cotto having fought Clottey a few weeks earlier. Shane tried to interject himself into the picture when a weight dispute came up, the issue was resolved and the fight was made. I guess Paq's haters think he should have abandoned negotiations that were already in progress and gone in another direction. Idiotic claim number two is "Marquez beat Paq twice" Quite simply, no he didnt. Final. The first fight Paq scored three knockdowns and got outboxed most of the remaining rounds. In the rematch Paq scored one knockdown and boxed JMM pretty evenly for the remaining rounds. This shows improvement in Paq's boxing skills from fight one to fight two. And the final scorecards in his fights with JMM are Paq with a draw and a win. Jmm no more beat Paq twice than JLC beat Floyd twice. Idiotic claim number three is used in an attempt to undermine Paq's reputation, and that is "Morales beat Paq, so Paq isnt very good". While this is true, they always forget to mention what happened in the rematches, Paq wiped the floor with Morales in both rematches. The final idiotic claim is "Paq was knocked out twice by nobodies". Again, while this is true, it is totally irrelevent today. Paq was knocked out twice early in his career when he was a crude, one handed power puncher with no boxing skills and no footwork. That was a long time ago, and Paq today is a totally different, vastly improved fighter. Using any of these arguments against Paq are easily disproved and makes the people who use them look foolish.

Knowledgeable PAC hater doesnt use those in their arguments unless pinned against the wall.

the best topic for them is the OSDT demands.

**ballgamessuck** · 05-08-2010, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by etlux

just as you claim to be able to easily disprove arguments i can easily disprove all of yours.

for one the shane argument stands because we have roach's direct words and quote so you fail there

for morales, he owned Pac and then was beaten badly by Zahir Raheem, it was only after this that Pac was able to beat a faded Morales so you fail there too.

If it wasn't for the 3 anomalous knockdowns in the first round, JMM would have won as he dominated Pac for the rest of the rounds, you fail again.

I can go on and on

I fail at nothing, except agreeing with your twisted version of the facts. Yes, Roach said Shane wanted to fight, and they turned him down. THEY WERE ALREADY LINED UP TO FIGHT COTTO, NUMBNUTS. As for Morales, he owned Paq the first fight, and that fight is what motivated Roach to turn Paq into what he is today. As for "If it wasn't for the 3 anomalous knockdowns in the first round, JMM would have won as he dominated Pac for the rest of the rounds, you fail again", woulda coulda shoulda. DIDNT!!! I can go on and on, moron.

You have to be an idiot to make the following claims