FAO: PED experts.

[TheManniePhresh]

THAT WOULD YIELD ANY BENEFIT TO A FIGHTER

im not questioning that HGH can only be detected in blood.

i was wondering what good it would do...

Your incredible. Im done with you man. Seriously. You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em. that old saying applies to you.

[Ryannn]

http://www.************.com/2010/02/...ting-for-peds/



End the thread.

if youre referring to the victor conte quote then yes but he didnt really say anything about cutoff dates ... he mainly touch upon the fact that blood testing is valid but not because of what everyone thinks or wat mainly *****s think- it's an all PED detecting test

he mainly iterated that blood testing can be a way IF USED RANDOMLY to indirectly show the use of EPO by detecting a 50% rise of hemocratic or redbloodcell level when compared to the baseline blood sample regarded as "clean" of the tested athlete

its also the only way to catch blood dopers but thats got nothing to do with pac and peds

u saw the quote, he said HGH is pretty much useless to test 4

other than that he just stressed the fact that this blood test needs to be random because in his experience, the athletes he supplied peds to exploited a "loophole" where they r given leeway to miss 2 test out of a year for watever personal reason(sickness, death of the family, etc) and tats an opportunity to flush the peds out of your system, i dont think this will happen between may and manny

i think his opinions are valid when u look at blood testing at the olympic level,first theyre tested only a couple of times during the year.. so its like 1-3 maybe 6? blood test for a whole 12 months, in the context of that timeline, an announce testing couple with the fact they were given opportunities to pass up test gave them time to flush out the peds for that day and then go back and be on it for the rest of the year, this is alot of time to fully take advantage and reap the benefits of PEDS and still beat the drug testers, you can even be on a 6 month cycle of ped usage and be clean for the rest of 6.. and only use your 2 excused drugtesting absences when ur on it... it really gives athletes flexibility to cheat, u guess conte just want them to barge in on an athlete unannounce and not give them a day notice where they can come up with an excuse not to take the test
but in a 9 week window of time testing, thats basically how long may and pac will train.. there's really no need to stress randomization, especially with the introduction of an everyday urine test
, even if the blood test was announce even of it being random in the timeline of 9 weeks, there's no way you can fully take advantage of the EPO mircera unless you use it for the whole 9 weeks

here's a scenario..supposed u know u will be tested at the beginning of training, the way to beat that then is to use mircera epo a day later,

now..if they announce they will do a blood test 38 days later, youre basically screwed...there's no way around it

isuppose then... you wait and use it 1 day after the 2nd test, by that time,youre already 60% into training... and its 23 days away from the fight, basically you will not reap any benefits from it during training at all to give u .. it might help ur endurance on fight night though


and you will definitely be detected for 3 weeks right after the fight if you ever used it

basically the scenario i posted is wat pac first proposed, blood test beginning of training, blood test 30 days b4 the fight and blood test right after the fight.. its PED PROOF

the only thing i can discern from his comments is tht they were probably using some peds that have a 24 hour detection time and those are usually anabolic steroids that urine detect or THE CLEAR.. which urine can NOW detect

but if victor knew the fact that there's unlimited everyday urine testing, then he knows there's no reason to stress randomization of blood testing because an everyday urine test is basically unbeatable

i think he also said something about PEDS having to be out of your system completely by fighttime to have maximum efficiency in order for it to work to your advantage

care to pick this apart?

[Ryannn]

Your incredible. Im done with you man. Seriously. You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em. that old saying applies to you.

i haven't made any claims on this thread. merely repeating what previous posters have posted.

if you can prove that full blown ost is necessary, given the fact that urine tests all the way with 3 blood test would bring any benefit to a fighter, then more power to you.

[Hannibal Barca]

care to pick this apart?

Pick what apart? You can read Ryannn, do so. The experts explained everything in detail.

[PhilipK]

can somebody give a good analysis of HGH because if Pac were to be on PEDs. I'd think he would be on HGH. The reason i think that is because if you take a good look at his Head size and how proportional it is to his body. His Head is GINORMOUS compared to his body size ratio. i personally like him as a fighter and don't want to believe that he's on steroids, but when i look at how much bigger his head has grown....so please let me know what's up with HGH and if it can be detected during urine tests or blood tests?

[Hannibal Barca]

can somebody give a good analysis of HGH because if Pac were to be on PEDs. I'd think he would be on HGH. The reason i think that is because if you take a good look at his Head size and how proportional it is to his body. His Head is GINORMOUS compared to his body size ratio. i personally like him as a fighter and don't want to believe that he's on steroids, but when i look at how much bigger his head has grown....so please let me know what's up with HGH and if it can be detected during urine tests or blood tests?

Read the article I posted.

[W1LL]

how can HGH benefit the fighter when he uses it more than 20 days prior to a fight?

Whether it's 20 days or 200 days, regardless of the benefits, it's still cheating.

[Ryannn]

Whether it's 20 days or 200 days, regardless of the benefits, it's still cheating.

if he's using PED's that won't do **** to him, then why do it anyways?

[Prime 407]

can somebody give a good analysis of HGH because if Pac were to be on PEDs. I'd think he would be on HGH. The reason i think that is because if you take a good look at his Head size and how proportional it is to his body. His Head is GINORMOUS compared to his body size ratio. i personally like him as a fighter and don't want to believe that he's on steroids, but when i look at how much bigger his head has grown....so please let me know what's up with HGH and if it can be detected during urine tests or blood tests?

HGH has never been proven to cause changes in the size of one's head. It's a myth, HGH does however cause something called "HGH gut". Do a google search to see what it looks like. Most Pro bodybuilders have it, basically looks like a pot belly but with ab muscles instead of fat.

[BuckToothed]

HGH will not benefit an athlete with those conditions... HGH has to be taken during off season hence the reason they test for it year-round, definitely not the case here.

In another thread I was in, someone mentioned HBOC, which is a modern form of EPO (Blood Doping).
Which my guess is it is used for extra conditioning (stamina) and I'm not sure if it's beneficial within a 20/24 days window with a risk of being caught.