FAO: PED experts.

[Ryannn]

why cant you do your own research? it would take u less than an hour.

why the hell will i do that when more dedicated, PED-experts are available here?

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It's also common knowledge that HGH use is almost pointless without being stacked with an anabolic steroid and anabolic steroids are detectable in urine. There's no substance an athlete could cycle in a 20 day period and then let his body return to normal and take the tests... Example: The usual time it takes for a bodybuilder's body to return to homeostasis after a steroid cycle is usually the same amount of time he had on the cycle, so time on + same time off = back to normal. You wouldn't want to compete while the substance is clearing your body because your natural levels of hormone would be almost non-existent and you'd actually physically perform worse than if never taken anything.

not strictly true..........the effects of HGH use in athletics and other sports are still not known or fully understood.......but given that athletes do take it.....it must have some effect.......

My thinking is if Manny was on something, it is likely to be some kind of ****tail......

[Ryannn]

not strictly true..........the effects of HGH use in athletics and other sports are still not known or fully understood.......but given that athletes do take it.....it must have some effect.......

My thinking is if Manny was on something, it is likely to be some kind of ****tail......

this whole thing apply to all boxers who haven't taken ost. not just manny.

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why the hell will i do that when more dedicated, PED-experts are available here?

To answer your other question Micrea (also CERA) is actually third generation EPO. It can be administered once a fortnight, and some say once a month (much less than first and third gen EPO)...it is used to treat leukemia and other blood disorders....though i'm not sure how good it would be at avoiding tests.

My real point is does the NSAC even test for Micrea?? or even other EPO's???
I highly doubt it. SSM injected EPO, took the clear (THG), used the clear and modanofil....this is fact......this was revealed in grand jury testimony by Shane and Vic Conte.

Now granted THG "was" undetectable at the time....but why didn't the NSAC or other commissions get Shane on the EPO or Modanofil??? The media over their are useless. With about 5 seconds worth of digging you would prob find the NSAC only gets it's samples tested for the stock standard anaolics, because of the cost of testing.....again i'm just speculating....but we know their testing procedures are a joke. Victor Conte confirms that, Dr Don Caitlin confirms that and former NSAC Medical Board Advisory Cahirman Dr Margaret Goodman confirms that.

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this whole thing apply to all boxers who haven't taken ost. not just manny.

yes ofcourse.........taking one PED in isolation or not on the appropriate cycle or dose could even be counterproductive.

[Prime 407]

To answer your other question Micrea (also CERA) is actually third generation EPO. It can be administered once a fortnight, and some say once a month (much less than first and third gen EPO)...it is used to treat leukemia and other blood disorders....though i'm not sure how good it would be at avoiding tests.

My real point is does the NSAC even test for Micrea?? or even other EPO's???
I highly doubt it. SSM injected EPO, took the clear (THG), used the clear and modanofil....this is fact......this was revealed in grand jury testimony by Shane and Vic Conte.

Now granted THG "was" undetectable at the time....but why didn't the NSAC or other commissions get Shane on the EPO or Modanofil??? The media over their are useless. With about 5 seconds worth of digging you would prob find the NSAC only gets it's samples tested for the stock standard anaolics, because of the cost of testing.....again i'm just speculating....but we know their testing procedures are a joke. Victor Conte confirms that, Dr Don Caitlin confirms that and former NSAC Medical Board Advisory Cahirman Dr Margaret Goodman confirms that.

The thing with EPO is it alters certain things in your blood, making it thicker and chock full of oxygen carrying blood cells, it alters what your blood "looks like" under a microscope in layman's terms. What confuses me is how people think Manny can some how take EPO in those few weeks (14-20 days) to boost his performance without being busted by the blood test he offered to take 5 minutes after the fight.

You see, part of the USADA testing is taking and preserving the blood it samples from athletes, so the USADA would simply just have to compare the blood they took in the random testing before the cutoff date with the blood they'll sample straight after the fight. IF there are any differences it will be obvious.

[ALG United]

The thing with EPO is it alters certain things in your blood, making it thicker and chock full of oxygen carrying blood cells, it alters what your blood "looks like" under a microscope in layman's terms. What confuses me is how people think Manny can some how take EPO in those few weeks (14-20 days) to boost his performance without being busted by the blood test he offered to take 5 minutes after the fight.

You see, part of the USADA testing is taking and preserving the blood it samples from athletes, so the USADA would simply just have to compare the blood they took in the random testing before the cutoff date with the blood they'll sample straight after the fight. IF there are any differences it will be obvious.

I fully agree....... That's why there is a procedure that the olympic committe adapted and they tested it in the last winter olympics, where in they administered the first blood testing for EPO way before the top athletes hits training camp. And then once again during training, and the last is when the athletes hits the olympic village already. With this procedure they can compare blood samples of a particular athlete when they were in normal condition, upto the time of their training and competing when athletes are in their hyper conditions already, this way abnormal levels of EPO can easily be detected. Manny and Floyd usually go through 12 weeks of training before a big fight, so a random blood test on the week of contract negotiation/signing, then again in the middle of training, then last one right after the fight would be sufficient enough for the EPO tests.........

[Castor_Troy]

I fully agree....... That's why there is a procedure that the olympic committe adapted and they tested it in the last winter olympics, where in they administered the first blood testing for EPO way before the top athletes hits training camp. And then once again during training, and the last is when the athletes hits the olympic village already. With this procedure they can compare blood samples of a particular athlete when they were in normal condition, upto the time of their training and competing when athletes are in their hyper conditions already, this way abnormal levels of EPO can easily be detected. Manny and Floyd usually go through 12 weeks of training before a big fight, so a random blood test on the week of contract negotiation/signing, then again in the middle of training, then last one right after the fight would be sufficient enough for the EPO tests.........

Great post if its TRUE. Can you create a dedicated thread with resource link?

If you have the time that is. Thanks!

[S H A R K B O Y]

it doesnt take an expert to find these answers. its called a search engine for a reason. he's just trying to slight everyone against pacquiao not taking the tests and aggravate them; in other words, hes a troll.

[Ryannn]

it doesnt take an expert to find these answers. its called a search engine for a reason. he's just trying to slight everyone against pacquiao not taking the tests and aggravate them; in other words, hes a troll.

i was wondering if the whole thing is necessary to begin with.

according to some of what ive heard, and some my own research, it is possible that someone would take something within 20 says that is illegal come clean in the tests.

question is, is it even gonna affect their performance?