FAO: PED experts.

[CRlSIS]

Here's a little HGH info for you taken from Barroso, Sc*****ch, and Rabin
"Detection of GH abuse in sport: Past, present and future". From the Journal of Growth Hormone & IGF Research Volume 19 Issue 4. Published May 2009.

If you want any more legit information, do a search on pubmed. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/guide/

If you're not able to access an article, let me know, I might be able to get it for you.


"The development of hGH-specific methods for anti-doping purposes, however, has constituted a significant scientific and logistical challenge for the anti-doping authorities. Despite the availability of multiple assays for quantification of hGH for clinical and research purposes, all have proven unsuitable for anti-doping applications. The structural and biochemical similarities between rhGH and the major endogenous 22-kDa isoform, the pulsatile manner of hGH release and its short half-life in circulation, and the influence of exercise and nutrition on hGH plasma levels, among other factors, contribute to the difficulty of detecting the abuse of hGH as a doping agent [14] and [15]. Similarly, many of the currently available tests for some of the hGH-dependent markers (e.g. IGF-I) have proven to be unreliable for doping analyses, thereby requiring extensive validation studies of existing commercial assays or the application of novel approaches towards the development of well-characterised and accurate assays."

[shabs1]

Well they are illegal for a reason

[Khalid X]

how can HGH benefit the fighter when he uses it more than 20 days prior to a fight?

its undetectable in urine and becomes undetectable in the blood at a maximum of 20 days after usage?

it takes atleast 6-8 weeks to get any benefits from hgh use. As far as EPO and blood doping etc...I never got the point of why any hardworking athlete would use either of those. You get the same beneifts without the side effects by simply running in high altitude or using an altitude simulator similar to the one Andre Ward and Eddie Chambers uses.

[shabs1]

Ta how long do u really think it takes to benefit user don't use thinking about next year there thinking in the now 20 days is dam near a month I really don't see how a millionaire couldn't benefit from a ped he's using in as little as 20 days that's 3 weeks

[Prime 407]

It's also common knowledge that HGH use is almost pointless without being stacked with an anabolic steroid and anabolic steroids are detectable in urine. There's no substance an athlete could cycle in a 20 day period and then let his body return to normal and take the tests... Example: The usual time it takes for a bodybuilder's body to return to homeostasis after a steroid cycle is usually the same amount of time he had on the cycle, so time on + same time off = back to normal. You wouldn't want to compete while the substance is clearing your body because your natural levels of hormone would be almost non-existent and you'd actually physically perform worse than if never taken anything.

[CRlSIS]

It's also common knowledge that HGH use is almost pointless without being stacked with an anabolic steroid and anabolic steroids are detectable in urine. There's no substance an athlete could cycle in a 20 day period and then let his body return to normal and take the tests... Example: The usual time it takes for a bodybuilder's body to return to homeostasis after a steroid cycle is usually the same amount of time he had on the cycle, so time on + same time off = back to normal. You wouldn't want to compete while the substance is clearing your body because your natural levels of hormone would be almost non-existent and you'd actually physically perform worse than if never taken anything.

I agree. Here's a quote from an article saying exactly what you stated

"Recombinant hGH (rhGH), when given to GH-deficient
individuals, has been found to increase exercise
time and VO2max after 6 months of treatment [37, 38].
Increased body muscle mass, decreased body fat, increased
cardiac output, and improved wound healing has
been described [28, 39]. In contrast, no significant effects
on muscle strength or muscle protein synthesis
have been reported in controlled clinical trials of healthy
non-exercising young men or athletes given supraphysiological
doses of rhGH [40, 41]. ....Reportedly, it seems that athletes use hGH for long
periods of time with suprathe****utic doses or in combination
with other doping substances such as AAS. hGH
appears to act synergistically when used in tandem with
steroids, thus having an effect, albeit indirect, on muscle
anabolism and athletic performance [34, 43, 44]."

http://www.nature.com/aja/journal/v1...ja2008252a.pdf

[Castor_Troy]

I agree. Here's a quote from an article saying exactly what you stated

"Recombinant hGH (rhGH), when given to GH-deficient
individuals, has been found to increase exercise
time and VO2max after 6 months of treatment [37, 38].
Increased body muscle mass, decreased body fat, increased
cardiac output, and improved wound healing has
been described [28, 39]. In contrast, no significant effects
on muscle strength or muscle protein synthesis
have been reported in controlled clinical trials of healthy
non-exercising young men or athletes given supraphysiological
doses of rhGH [40, 41]. ....Reportedly, it seems that athletes use hGH for long
periods of time with suprathe****utic doses or in combination
with other doping substances such as AAS. hGH
appears to act synergistically when used in tandem with
steroids, thus having an effect, albeit indirect, on muscle
anabolism and athletic performance [34, 43, 44]."

http://www.nature.com/aja/journal/v1...ja2008252a.pdf

It's also common knowledge that HGH use is almost pointless without being stacked with an anabolic steroid and anabolic steroids are detectable in urine. There's no substance an athlete could cycle in a 20 day period and then let his body return to normal and take the tests... Example: The usual time it takes for a bodybuilder's body to return to homeostasis after a steroid cycle is usually the same amount of time he had on the cycle, so time on + same time off = back to normal. You wouldn't want to compete while the substance is clearing your body because your natural levels of hormone would be almost non-existent and you'd actually physically perform worse than if never taken anything.

Those posts are pretty clear.


I hope anybody opposing these should post valid links that can validate their arguments. Not just broad studies about the topic.

[Ryannn]

It's also common knowledge that HGH use is almost pointless without being stacked with an anabolic steroid and anabolic steroids are detectable in urine. There's no substance an athlete could cycle in a 20 day period and then let his body return to normal and take the tests... Example: The usual time it takes for a bodybuilder's body to return to homeostasis after a steroid cycle is usually the same amount of time he had on the cycle, so time on + same time off = back to normal. You wouldn't want to compete while the substance is clearing your body because your natural levels of hormone would be almost non-existent and you'd actually physically perform worse than if never taken anything.

interesting.............................

[Real King Kong]

what can a fighter take that is:

1. undetectable in infinite urine samples
2. undetectable in the blood within, lets say a 20-day window

that would yield benefit to a fighter?

EPO i believe.

[boxing_pundit85]

i scanned through your links. none of them say it would yield benefit if used within 20 days.

i could have missed it.

why cant you do your own research? it would take u less than an hour.