My thoughts on what Manny needs to do to defeat Mayweather.

[CrackYourJaw]

Manny is a pressure fighter.
Floyd is a counter puncher.

Manny throws combinations and lifts his back foot off ground.
1 good counter an he could get nailed.

Manny has stamina.
Floyd has better stamina.

Manny is fast.
Floyd is fast.

Floyd has better stamina than Manny?

He has a style where he doesn't throw as many, so maybe he doesn't get as tired. But Manny just threw 1,200 against Clottey and looked like he could go 15 rounds.

[Tamis!]

1) Can Manny make the necessary adjustments if their game plan does not work?

2) If his big shots don't find home, will Manny get discouraged?

3) Once Manny realizes that Floyd is hard to hit, will he stay calm?

4) Southpaws (and Shane) have found home with clean shots against Floyd, but will Manny do what the others couldn't do and that is capitalize after landing a clean shot?[/B]

What are your thoughts?

1. NO. His patience grew fangs throughout his career. A thousand angles that Manny can work with all fight night.
2. NO. Roach is gonna be there there for a raincheck on that. And because of answer to no. 1.
3. NOT SURE. Can work either way, coz Manny can go nuts sometimes and go out on a flurry spree but can stay clamed collectively, but Floyd will be different from what Manny has ever faced.
4. YES. The most critical part of how others can't finish and I think Manny can is the factor of SPEED, fighters Floyd been against with didn't have the follow up maybe because they got too excited and was too late to react, failed to think how to close the angle, etc.

Manny, well, he does those things very naturally to string the finisher if in case he gets Floyd with one.

Before Ricky Hatton's 2nd KO in the 1st round, he tried to clip Manny's hands to relegate the punches that'll finish it, but Manny reacted too quick and threw the necessaries. Floyd clipped Shane in the 2nd round avoiding a KO, so if Manny can avoid Floyd's cleverness and wit, he's got a chance.

(taken from my previous post)

Timing is a pre-requisite of speed.

Floyd is probably the best boxer with regards to timing of his shots, his one-punch is top-notch and is proof of the claim. That's why he's also the most accurate puncher alive.

Manny OTOH is faster in compiling combos. As seen in often weird but effective angles (heck, he can string 4/5-punch combos in less than 2 seconds)

So therefore Floyd is faster at one-punch shots, and Manny's faster with flurries of punches. It depends on what we factor in with speed, if it's just pure unadulterated speed (Pacquiao), or speed with the pre-requisites included (Floyd).

It'll be tough for Manny, but hey, it's gonna be tough the other way around, too.

[madsweeney]

Coach, what are you thoughs about these orthodox rumors? Roach has said (and i think there's been some clips) of pac fighting orthodox. Could this be in preperation for a Floyd match. Think about it, what better way to adjust than to switch stances and replace the left cross with a stiff, fast orthodox jab?!?

[V.WEBB]

Coach, what are you thoughs about these orthodox rumors? Roach has said (and i think there's been some clips) of pac fighting orthodox. Could this be in preperation for a Floyd match. Think about it, what better way to adjust than to switch stances and replace the left cross with a stiff, fast orthodox jab?!?

You know what, I did hear about it, but I never really looked much into it (maybe I'll do that now). However, Manny has been very successful (to say the least) at fighting as a southpaw, so the natural question is, why change now? But if he were to switch to orthodox, that may make the fight easier for Floyd (seeing as how, the southpaws he faced had some success against him). IMO, he should continue to fight as a southpaw, but maybe Roach knows something that I don't (which the case is).

[Calilloyd]

Coach, what are you thoughs about these orthodox rumors? Roach has said (and i think there's been some clips) of pac fighting orthodox. Could this be in preperation for a Floyd match. Think about it, what better way to adjust than to switch stances and replace the left cross with a stiff, fast orthodox jab?!?

That would be crazy to me. He has to go with what got him there. And he would actually make it an easier fight for Floyd if he did that. Marvin Hagler tried that in the early rounds aginst Sugar Ray Leonard and it backfired on him badly.

[Pullcounter]

I think the shorter the fight is, the better for Pac.

not necessarily. pac won't tire and is explosive for 12 rounds.

The biggest key to Manny winning this fight IMO is if he gets Floyd hurt, he must capitalize and stop Floyd (unlike Shane's quest last weekend).

floyd has great recoverablity and is very smart when he gets hurt. it possible floyd goes down but recovers just as fast. all pac needs to do is keep on hurting floyd and keep on letting his hands go

1) Can Manny make the necessary adjustments if their game plan does not work?

I think the best way to go about this is to have different gameplans for different parts of the fight.

2) If his big shots don't find home, will Manny get discouraged?

no... pac throws punches just to throw punches

3) Once Manny realizes that Floyd is hard to hit, will he stay calm?

this is nothing to be not calm over. pac gotta stay calm when floyd starts landing his counters.

4) Southpaws (and Shane) have found home with clean shots against Floyd, but will Manny do what the others couldn't do and that is capitalize after landing a clean shot?

pac is gonna have to be able to break out of floyd's clinches. pac gotta let the combos go so that floyd doesn't have a chance to clinch

[Amazinger]

Agree Pacquiao's best chance of KO is in the early round.Although I think even if it goes the distance He will still beat Mayweather on points if he started early and pick up rounds 1 through 5.

[madsweeney]

You know what, I did hear about it, but I never really looked much into it (maybe I'll do that now). However, Manny has been very successful (to say the least) at fighting as a southpaw, so the natural question is, why change now? But if he were to switch to orthodox, that may make the fight easier for Floyd (seeing as how, the southpaws he faced had some success against him). IMO, he should continue to fight as a southpaw, but maybe Roach knows something that I don't (which the case is).

I really don't think it'd be used alot, just to throw Mayweather off and counter his adjustments. Remember, Pac is ambidextrous (unlike DLH/Cotto) so I could see him being effective switching things up if May switches to the guard he used for Zab/Corley. Also, what if we find Pac has an awesome jab from orthodox?!?

[PACK]

All Manny needs to do to defeat mayweather is get some roids that USADA cant test for. A whole lot of them.

[Ray*]

I think the shorter the fight is, the better for Pac. I'm not totally counting Pac out of this fight. But over about 7-8 rounds, I see Mayweather finding home with a bunch of shots and making Manny miss frustrating him. I do think, however, inside of about 5 rounds, Manny has to make his move and try to get PBF out of the there. (easier said than done of course because of Mayweather's defense and counter punching ability) He doesn't have to load up for one big shot, but the first 5 rounds must be tough rounds for Manny in that he MUST tag Floyd with combinations. He has the speed, power, and footwork to do just that.

The biggest key to Manny winning this fight IMO is if he gets Floyd hurt, he must capitalize and stop Floyd (unlike Shane's quest last weekend). The guys that hurt Floyd with the cleanest shots have been quick southpaws (Corley, Judah, Shane although he wasn't a southpaw). Now, those guys are not Manny of course (Shane can crack!), but I bring that up based on the fact that they were southpaws. If Manny lands a big left hand like Chop Chop did, he has to finish the work because if he allows Floyd to stay around, he might have a hard time catching him with something else big, just as we saw with Shane last week.

I see Mayweather as a tough puzzle to figure out, so I believe these are ALL legitimate questions to ask...

1) Can Manny make the necessary adjustments if their game plan does not work?

2) If his big shots don't find home, will Manny get discouraged?

3) Once Manny realizes that Floyd is hard to hit, will he stay calm?

4) Southpaws (and Shane) have found home with clean shots against Floyd, but will Manny do what the others couldn't do and that is capitalize after landing a clean shot?

What are your thoughts?

(1) Yes Pac can make adjustment if he needs to because Manny is a little bit more technical now.

(2) Maybe but am sure he would keep trying.

(3) Thats my biggest problem with Pac but then he has Roach in his corner to keep him calm.

(4) It would be difficult to land on Floyd because he has more respect for Pacquiao than anyone else, So if we expect to see Pac land a big shot from a southpaw stance like Chop-chop or Judah did then we would wait forever, Mayweather is scared to lose and he would never give Pac an inch of a chance in landing anything big.