Paul Williams Beats Floyd Mayweather And Here's Why

[El 7 Mares V.2]

Ha, naw, I'm trying to show these cats that when discussing potential match ups, a simple "So and so KO's so and so" doesn't suffice. You need to explain how and why. anyway, I only make DLT/Horus threads like twice a month anyway.

I know, I was just ****in with you

The only real advantage I see is Williams height but then again he never fights tall, he is one of those ackward tall fighters who loves to **** it inside, at least that's when he hurts his opponents the most, he is an excellent body puncher. I think Floyd will move too quick for him to catch, and we know now for a fact that Williams struggles against slick fighters and you can't get any slicker than Money. The size difference and punch output of Williams would bother Money for a bit but he would adjust and spank that butt...so I just don't see Williams beating him, sorry brah.

[FLY TY]

floyd schools p will,i like p will but hes just too easy to hit and floyds too smart and accurate.he would make paul look like a very average boxer if they ever meet imo

williams would never be the same again after this fight. he'd be shown for exactly what he is, a volume puncher, with freakish size, but doesn't hit incredibly hard, and only fights one way.

The problem is, you can never really predict how Mayweather will approach a fight. He revamps his whole approach specifically to suit the guy he'll have in front of him.

I think seeing the way Quintana and Martinez neutralised him to some degree via lateral movement gives Floyd a great starting point, all he needs to adopt after that is the willingness to sporadically engage and there we have P-Will in trouble. And we've seen that Mayweather is no push over even against someone as powerful and explosive as Mosley. Now, I know holding your own against a welterweight and holding your own against a middleweight are two different things altogether but I still don't think it's realistic to presume Williams will be able to bully Floyd.

Williams can get sloppy as it is, against Mayweather he'll look amateur at times. Add to that Floyd will cut his workrate down drastically and prevent him from landing more than twice in a burst, and I'm thinking Floyd wins. I mean, I could definitely see Williams winning at 154 or 160, but I just can't look past Mayweather. He's so well rounded that he can adapt to virtually any opponent.

this ^^^

but floyd isn't a cobra... he's a gorilla-dog and gorilla-dogs beat mongooses.
anyways.... pwill will outwork floyd. floyd will land big shots, but he won't be able to hurt pwill and pwill won't be discouraged from punching... that's all pwill knows how to do... keep throwing punches. suckers think pwill will stop throwing punches... yea right. this is pwill philosophy 101 "when in doubt, keep punching".

Now, of course Floyd can be intelligently aggressive. But would he really make Williams respect his power? Lets be real here. Floyd may have underrated power against fighters in his size range, but we're talking about Paul Williams. He took Margarito's best punches, Quintana's best punches, Martinez's best punches and kept coming. [b]Floyd is mostly successful when his opponents start to second guess themselves. When they feel the sting of Floyd's counter punches. Then they become hesitant and their output drops. This is when Floyd goes to work. Is Paul Williams REALLY going to be hesitant against Floyd? Is he REALLY going to respect Floyd's power when he didn't respect the others I mentioned?

martinez had williams clueless, and all williams could do is keep coming forward, trying to land anything.....that lack of a plan B, is what would hurt williams when and if he ever fought floyd. let's also not forget, that neither quintana or martinez are "strong" punchers, and in the end, a guy becomes more hesitant than normal, if they continually get hit in the face, regardless of how "powerful" the punches may seem. that gets worse, if over the course of a fight, a guy will land less and less, while in turn getting hit more and more.

williams lost to quintana, who's average at best, and pulled out a very close decision on martinez, b/c IMO martinez tired a bit down the stretch....mayweather won't have that problem.

another thing, that gets over-looked, is the fact that ppl say floyd looks like a "strong WW" now, and williams moving back down to 147 for this fight, i think would hurt him, regardless of the fact that he's 6'3" and has about an 82" reach.

i keep saying, williams is easy to scout, and although he has nightmares about fighting him, i think shane mosley can utilize the same gameplan he had for margarito, and beat williams, especially at 147.

i don't know how to beat floyd, i wouldn't even try to brainstorm ideas on what to do....but i know a guy's not gonna beat him, b/c he's tall and throws a lot of punches. it'll be interesting, b/c of the styles, but IMO williams is just no ring "intelligent" enough, he's not powerful and doesn't fight "big" so his size is misleading, and he just gets hit waaaaay to much. it seems many ppl are banking on his constant pressure to sort of "wear" mayweather down, and i just can't see that happening.

also, that mongoose-cobra thing won't work, because the mongoose is smart, and picks his spots to avoid being bitten by the cobra....he's almost just as quick "in-and-out" as the cobra. that doesn't describe williams v. mayweather.

[champ007]

I would like for Mayweather to prove he can beat Paul. Plain and simple.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I think it means more for Floyd if he moves up to do it.

Meeting at 154 would be fair. Williams is done at welter. When was he last a welter, 2 years ago? Forget this 3 division stuff, the guy's a middleweight now who can make 154, so do it there.

[Pullcounter]

Williams' hand speed is terrible. How is someone with such slow hands going to hit Floyd, let alone beat him? Williams doesn't really have a lot of power either so it's hard to say he even has a puncher's chance. Williams is a decent champion, but he isn't special the way Mayweather and Pacquiao are.

pwill will outwork floyd. its not a great style match up for floyd. floyd will land counters and big punches, but floyd doesn't hit hard enough to discourage pwill from throwing 100 punches per round.

[Pullcounter]

I think it means more for Floyd if he moves up to do it.

Meeting at 154 would be fair. Williams is done at welter. When was he last a welter, 2 years ago? Forget this 3 division stuff, the guy's a middleweight now who can make 154, so do it there.

I wanna see Pwill do it at 147 so people can't say 154 lbs isn't floyd's best weight giving him an excuse.

[Tiozzo]

The initial caveat in the first sentence was enough, why couldn't you just write all the rest without the obligatory references to Mayweather supporters wanking and being Gay and whatnot (like he's the only one who ever had a legion of ****ty fanboys behind him on here . . . Cotto, Margarito, PACQUIAO). You're obsessed, man.


BTW, Paul is not 6'4". His attributes are already considerable, let's not exaggerate.

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It is funny you are attacking *****s when you are obviously biased towards Williams.....

Williams is wide open, he's the perfect opponent for Floyd. Easy fight for Money.

[King Jaffe Joffer]

Paul is a mental midget in the ring and he rarely uses his height when fighting.
Floyd would make him think, once that happens its a wrap for Paul. Definitely still a tough fight for Floyd regardless. I think Floyd is just too slick, smart, fast and good

[thatnickuh]

To the Floyd fans lets not get crazy. Willaims is all wrong for Mayweather. I always been picking Will but Floyd is just too smart. How he wins I have literally no idea because this a fight he should lose but hes too smart and would find a way to win.

I disagree, I don't think that Williams has much of a shot against Mayweather. Especially if the fight is at 147. The only advantage that Williams would have is his height and reach, and that's something that he doesn't use. He doesn't have a great jab and he bends down to his opponents height. Williams gets sloppy on both offense and defense, and he doesn't have that much power. Mayweather would pick him apart the whole fight.

[Calilloyd]

Now, before I start, if you're aren't going to reply with a well, thought out response then get the **** out of my thread. We don't need any of that "Floyd beats him just because he's god and he has a huge penis" bull**** you ****in shameless groupies

There's no question that Floyd is the most skilled fighter in our era. Easily one of the most skilled fighters ever to lace them up. You can even call him the perfect boxer. But he's not invincible. He isn't Maximus Meridius contrary to what that commercial would have you believe. There are something he just may not be able to overcome regardless of how tight his fight game is.

Enter Paul Williams

6'4 of powerful, relentless fury. A tireless machine which wanders 3 weightclasses looking for any opponent willing to step up. Now, Floyd fanatics will go nuts, interrupting their daily masturbatory worshiping of their Mayweather posters, throwing their juice boxes at the computer screens at thought of anyone possibly thinking Williams could beat Floyd. After all, Carlos Quintana "outboxed" The Punisher didn't he?

Yes and no. Quintana was the first opponent in Williams career to make him look human. He outboxed Williams in a sense that he utilized lateral movement and angles to confuse Paul, but he also OUTFOUGHT P-Willy bringing the fight to him as much as he moved away.



To put it more accurately, he was a boxer/puncher against Williams throwing some HARD bombs. He couldn't just outbox Williams for 12 rounds, in order to be successful against Paul, you have to go all out on the power aspect of your game. You can't just potshot or throw single shots. You must throw combinations with very respectable power. We saw this in Williams/Martinez where Martinez had to fight Paul to make the fight competitive. In order to beat Williams, your output NEEDS to be high and hard. Intelligent aggression is key when fighting Paul.

Now, of course Floyd can be intelligently aggressive. But would he really make Williams respect his power? Lets be real here. Floyd may have underrated power against fighters in his size range, but we're talking about Paul Williams. He took Margarito's best punches, Quintana's best punches, Martinez's best punches and kept coming. Floyd is mostly successful when his opponents start to second guess themselves. When they feel the sting of Floyd's counter punches. Then they become hesitant and their output drops. This is when Floyd goes to work. Is Paul Williams REALLY going to be hesitant against Floyd? Is he REALLY going to respect Floyd's power when he didn't respect the others I mentioned?

Floyd doesn't fight like Quintana or Martinez. He wont open up against a bigger fighter like Williams the way Quintana or Martinez did. He CANNOT afford to fight in the pocket against Paul. Thats SUICIDE. For every one punch Floyd throws, Williams is throwing 4-5. Floyd's punch may be more accurate and land cleaner, but William's 4-5 punches will be more effective because HE would be dictating the fight that way.

Take a look at this video...



Cobras are known to have on of the deadliest venom in the snake kingdom. It is a very respected as a predator, but also as prey. But one creature who doesn't respect it is the mongoose. Why? The mongoose can tolerate the venom of a cobra which allows it to be relentless in its pursuit for a meal. Paul Williams (mongoose) would very much tolerate the venom Floyd Mayweather Jr (cobra) would be injecting. It is because of THIS that Williams beats Floyd. It is because of the lack of respect for Floyd's power that Williams beats Floyd. Floyd cannot outfight Williams. A SOUTHPAW Williams. Floyd's shoulder rolls, his pull counters, will not matter against someone that throws more than 4 punches at once and over 1000 in a fight.

This is why Williams/Mayweather will NEVER happen.

First of all, much respect for you putting together a well thought out and intelligent analysis. For a long time I agreed with what you're saying. Now I think it comes down to intangibles. If the fight is at 147, Williams loses. I think he would have had a better chance there 2 years ago. At 154 I still favor Floyd but it would be a closer fight. I just see too many holes in Williams defense and style for Mayweather at this stage. I think stylistically the fight favors Mayweather. Martinez style may match up better against Mayweather than Williams actually. But again, you made a good case for Williams.