Seriously what angles does Pac have ???

[keepthemhandsup]

Manny is like a dynamo .... He takes off like a hurricane... That's all true.... The way he takes off is the story... Either he's jumping hands a shoulder length, or face first on one foot watch the tapes....

idk if you referring to mr 1-2 pacquiao at the start of his carrer or the pacquiao now?

BTW what your defention of someone throwing at angles im curious ppl have different meanings to things

[Kagami Taiga]

See exactly.... JMM was timing it well with his speed and no movement... So how do you think Floyd would time that....

i think that's clearly why roach wanted to put manny in the ring with some tune up sparring partners like forbes. i dont think puttin him in the ring with clottey was a good idea tho...but we'll see. i think that was a waste of a tune up fight.

[b4real]

footspeed, I think that's why Roach is so excited after watching Mayweather/Mosley, he's got it into his head that Mayweather's legs have gone and he no longer has the same movement.

Personally, I think it was just Floyd's gameplan to stand in front of Mosley. Pac does have faster footwork though in my humble opinion.

Ill give you that... On the other hand Floyd has the hand speed, the movement, coordination and length....

[b4real]

i think that's clearly why roach wanted to put manny in the ring with some tune up sparring partners like forbes. i dont think puttin him in the ring with clottey was a good idea tho...but we'll see. i think that was a waste of a tune up fight.

I feel you .... I think that Floyd will use Manny speed and work rate against him.... From that point on he'll let Manny run into traps all night.....

[Smooth Criminal]

What does the last line mean? That you don't have a P4P ranking list?

Pacquiao has only fought fighters he matches up well against, since his controversial decision against Marquez. I'll place him somewhere between 3 - 6 , since he was given the chance to fight those damaged fighters. If others were given the same chance, with the same weight controversy against them coming off horrible losses, etc, they could have done the very same. In short, I'm not impressed, but you can't take him off the list since he did do it - while others didn't.

At the same time, I am not impressed with Hopkins over Pavlik. A real example of where he stands p4p is his fight against Calzaghe. He made both fighters move up in weight. He schooled a tailor made Pavlik, but struggled with a semi-problematic Calzaghe and lost the fight. If Hopkins then chose to fight 4 more "Pavlik's" while avoiding the "Calzaghe's" I wouldn't move him up any higher than where he was.

For this reason, Klitchko is highly underrated for dominating just about every style he's put up against.

[Weebler I]

Ill give you that... On the other hand Floyd has the hand speed, the movement, coordination and length....

I think Cotto provided Floyd with the blueprint to beating Pac after his dominant early rounds, after that fight Floyd was like 'I got it, easy money'. The big question is 'can he implement it'?

I guess that's what we're all waiting to find out.

[b4real]

idk if you referring to mr 1-2 pacquiao at the start of his carrer or the pacquiao now?

BTW what your defention of someone throwing at angles im curious ppl have different meanings to things

Overall angles.. It isn't really an angle if you just side stepping a slower guy.... You wanna see angles watch Ali in close those are angles.....

[Kagami Taiga]

footspeed, I think that's why Roach is so excited after watching Mayweather/Mosley, he's got it into his head that Mayweather's legs have gone and he no longer has the same movement.

Personally, I think it was just Floyd's gameplan to stand in front of Mosley. Pac does have faster footwork though in my humble opinion.

he does have the faster footwork, but it gets sloppy. he's a rhythem fighter. roach taught him those patters to make it harder to him him, so his foot work benefits him in that regard. but floyd's footwork is much more intelligent, no wasted movement, he manuvers opponents into spots where he can hit them without getting hit, he explodes at unexpected time, just much more dynamic. true students of the sport see this, thats why many ppl are reluctant to pick agaisnt him in any fight even if they dont respect him for whatever reason.

[jrosales13]

Pacquiao has only fought fighters he matches up well against, since his controversial decision against Marquez. I'll place him somewhere between 3 - 6 , since he was given the chance to fight those damaged fighters. If others were given the same chance, with the same weight controversy against them coming off horrible losses, etc, they could have done the very same. In short, I'm not impressed, but you can't take him off the list since he did do it - while others didn't.

At the same time, I am not impressed with Hopkins over Pavlik. A real example of where he stands p4p is his fight against Calzaghe. He made both fighters move up in weight. He schooled a tailor made Pavlik, but struggled with a semi-problematic Calzaghe and lost the fight. If Hopkins then chose to fight 4 more "Pavlik's" while avoiding the "Calzaghe's" I wouldn't move him up any higher than where he was.

For this reason, Klitchko is highly underrated for dominating just about every style he's put up against.

Ok so who do you have as the #2 best fighter in the world right now? Klithscko? Which one? Or who?

[etlux]

Overall angles.. It isn't really an angle if you just side stepping a slower guy.... You wanna see angles watch Ali in close those are angles.....

then you don't know what an angle is. any time your position is such that you're flanking your opponent and attacking him from different sides, then you're using angles period. you need to learn your boxing terminology son, you seem new to boxing.