My opinion on Mayweather has changed...

**trk** · 05-04-2010, 03:01 AM

I think a lot of people who call Floyd a ducker only started paying attention to him at 140 and 147. At 140 his competition was fairly weak, and Judah/Baldomir aren't very highly regarded now (though they were ranked at the top of the division when Floyd was fighting them). However, when he was just starting out at 130, Floyd was calling out all the big names, fighting quite a few of them, and completely destroying every opponent he fought at 130 or 135 except Castillo (and after Castillo gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career, Floyd gave him an immediate rematch). Floyd is probably the GOAT at 130 lbs (unless there was some really great 130 lbs champion the I am forgetting about).

All told Floyd has fought 15 opponents who were good enough to win a major title, 9 of whom were able to win a lineal title, and 8 opponents with a decent shot of being inducted into the Hall of Fame (Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo(who he fought twice), Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley). Now, a few of those guys were past prime and Gatti's chances of making the HoF have more to do with popularity than skill, but Hernandez was an unbeaten champion at 130 (his only other loss coming when he moved up in weight to challenge De La Hoya), Corrales was clearly prime and unbeaten, Castillo was clearly prime, Hatton was at least close to prime and unbeaten. Oscar had a significant weight advantage, Marquez was smaller but ranked #2 P4P, Mosley was 38 but ranked #3 P4P and coming off one of his best wins. That is a very good resume and not the resume of a ducker.

**Pacquiao'd** · 05-04-2010, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by HoT SaUCe

ive been roaming these boards for a while now and have been too lazy to start an account til now. Im a huuuuugee Pacman fan and will honestly admit that i love watching manny fight and always thought mayweather padded his record by fighting smaller fighters and hand picking his fights.

After i watched Mayweather/Mosely i have a newfound respect for mayweather. Sure most people dont like him b/c of his attitude on 24/7 and how ****y he is which is COMPLETELY understandable but the kid has proven he is a gym rat and truely is a legend and his dedication is unmatched. I thought Mosely would be the bigger fighter and bully him around like he deserves.

Seeing him coming in being the bigger fighter and overcoming his second round scare only to outclass a future hall of famer like shane mosely is unbelievable. Most people didnt enjoy it bc it was "boring" but coming from a MMA fan ( ive watched UFC since day one and was into MMA before boxing) i thought he put on boxing clinic and i really enjoyed it.

the only person floyd was bigger than was JMM. hatton is bigger than floyd. you cats need to watch more of someones career before yall start talking out the sides of yalls necks, not knowing what you are talking about.

floyd has been the smaller guy in damn near all of his fights

**baracuda** · 05-04-2010, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by yesir

the only person floyd was bigger than was JMM. hatton is bigger than floyd. you cats need to watch more of someones career before yall start talking out the sides of yalls necks, not knowing what you are talking about.

floyd has been the smaller guy in damn near all of his fights

hatton aint bigger than floyd you dumbass!

**silkyjohnson** · 05-04-2010, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by yesir

the only person floyd was bigger than was JMM. hatton is bigger than floyd. you cats need to watch more of someones career before yall start talking out the sides of yalls necks, not knowing what you are talking about.

floyd has been the smaller guy in damn near all of his fights

hahaha no. that was hatton's first big fight numberswise.

**Pacquiao'd** · 05-04-2010, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by baracuda

hatton aint bigger than floyd you dumbass!

look at hattons fight night weight even when he was fighting in 140 class.

he has always outweighed floyd you idiot.

hes bigger than floyd, its not rocket science clown

**Pacquiao'd** · 05-04-2010, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by silkyjohnson

hahaha no. that was hatton's first big fight numberswise.

wtf are you talking about?

**JK1700** · 05-04-2010, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by yesir

look at hattons fight night weight even when he was fighting in 140 class.

he has always outweighed floyd you idiot.

hes bigger than floyd, its not rocket science clown

lol @ "floyd was bigger than hatton"

Floyd started at 130. Hatton was 140-147 his entire career

**check hook** · 05-04-2010, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by trk

I think a lot of people who call Floyd a ducker only started paying attention to him at 140 and 147. At 140 his competition was fairly weak, and Judah/Baldomir aren't very highly regarded now (though they were ranked at the top of the division when Floyd was fighting them). However, when he was just starting out at 130, Floyd was calling out all the big names, fighting quite a few of them, and completely destroying every opponent he fought at 130 or 135 except Castillo (and after Castillo gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career, Floyd gave him an immediate rematch). Floyd is probably the GOAT at 130 lbs (unless there was some really great 130 lbs champion the I am forgetting about).

All told Floyd has fought 15 opponents who were good enough to win a major title, 9 of whom were able to win a lineal title, and 8 opponents with a decent shot of being inducted into the Hall of Fame (Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo(who he fought twice), Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley). Now, a few of those guys were past prime and Gatti's chances of making the HoF have more to do with popularity than skill, but Hernandez was an unbeaten champion at 130 (his only other loss coming when he moved up in weight to challenge De La Hoya), Corrales was clearly prime and unbeaten, Castillo was clearly prime, Hatton was at least close to prime and unbeaten. Oscar had a significant weight advantage, Marquez was smaller but ranked #2 P4P, Mosley was 38 but ranked #3 P4P and coming off one of his best wins. That is a very good resume and not the resume of a ducker.

good post........well broken down.

**Pacquiao'd** · 05-04-2010, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by JK1700

lol @ "floyd was bigger than hatton"

Floyd started at 130. Hatton was 140-147 his entire career

im arguing with these clowns that hatton is bigger than floyd, fool. keep up

thats what im trying to tell these dumbasses

My opinion on Mayweather has changed...