I want to see Haye v. Klitschko Im afraid it will put me to sleep.

[PittyPat]

I think Haye would go down by the right hands that dropped Chagaev and hurt Chambers in the second.

But Haye is elusive enough (some call it "running", non-idiots call it boxing) to not allow such a close-quarters situation until the mid-late rounds. Chagaev was standing there to be hit all night. Haye would be trying his hardest to evade Wlad's jabs and keep out of range for an eventual opening. Wlad would also be waiting ad nauseum for an opening, but at least he'd be throwing. The prospect still sounds boring, though.

On the other hand, there's no doubt Vitali would press the action from the opening bell and force Haye to either let his hands go in desperation or jump out of the ring to a forfeit, but Wlad is not the same kind of pressure fighter. The only reason he'd most likely go forward against Haye is because of A) his size advantage; B) his anger towards Haye; and C) Haye automatically goes backwards against any opponent.

I'm saying it now - brutal KOs aside, this is a style clash that won't produce a consistently good fight. If people want excitement, Haye should fight Vitali instead. If they want several tentative rounds with nothing but a few jabs thrown and a one-shot KO, then by all means hope for Wlad-Haye. I'm no longer a subscriber to the whole "Haye brings a ton of excitement" mentality. That he was gunshy against Ruiz of all people was laborious to watch at times. "Hit him, Dave!" :eyeroll:

[Pirao]

But Haye is elusive enough (some call it "running", non-idiots call it boxing) to not allow such a close-quarters situation until the mid-late rounds. Chagaev was standing there to be hit all night. Haye would be trying his hardest to evade Wlad's jabs and keep out of range for an eventual opening. Wlad would also be waiting ad nauseum for an opening, but at least he'd be throwing. The prospect still sounds boring, though.

On the other hand, there's no doubt Vitali would press the action from the opening bell and force Haye to either let his hands go in desperation or jump out of the ring to a forfeit, but Wlad is not the same kind of pressure fighter. The only reason he'd most likely go forward against Haye is because of A) his size advantage; B) his anger towards Haye; and C) Haye automatically goes backwards against any opponent.

I'm saying it now - brutal KOs aside, this is a style clash that won't produce a consistently good fight. If people want excitement, Haye should fight Vitali instead. If they want several tentative rounds with nothing but a few jabs thrown and a one-shot KO, then by all means hope for Wlad-Haye. I'm no longer a subscriber to the whole "Haye brings a ton of excitement" mentality. That he was gunshy against Ruiz of all people was laborious to watch at times. "Hit him, Dave!" :eyeroll:

I don't think Haye is very elusive TBH, not getting hit much by Valuev and Ruiz is not exactly a great accomplishment... The same Chagaev that was "there to be hit against Wlad" outboxed Valuev pretty comfortably too, IIRC. Wlad will face the range for his jab in the first 3 rounds, and then he'll punish Haye until the eventual KO, which may happen at any moment due to Haye's chin, I don't think Haye can withstand many right hands from Wlad.

[PittyPat]

I don't think Haye is very elusive TBH, not getting hit much by Valuev and Ruiz is not exactly a great accomplishment... The same Chagaev that was "there to be hit against Wlad" outboxed Valuev pretty comfortably too, IIRC. Wlad will face the range for his jab in the first 3 rounds, and then he'll punish Haye until the eventual KO, which may happen at any moment due to Haye's chin, I don't think Haye can withstand many right hands from Wlad.

Look, unlike you and your overt pro-Klitschko bias, I don't see any point in automatically dismissing Haye's chances against Wlad. Let's not forget that Sanders fucked him up, Brewster caught him good after he gassed out, Peter caught him once (I don't count the other 2 KDs, which weren't legit), and some other guys got him in the past as well. Agree or disagree, I really don't care - Haye has enough power to put away most HWs, and if he lands on Wlad it's all over. And vice versa.

You and a lot of people are putting way too much stock into this 'chin' stuff, when the majority of the fight will likely be a technical one before any stoppage occurs. So rather than going around repeating the same, tired old line that "Haye has a glass chin" (Wlad's isn't that great either!) and other such formalities, why not look more like a real boxing fan and discuss the technicalities of the fight itself. I'm more than willing to, but very few others are because they're too biased and have an agenda.