Must See Pinoy Thread."Wake up Pac Fans... Pacquiao is screwed!"

[IMDAZED]

using 9/11 as an excuse is joke. everyone knows this.

wmd thing had more merit at the time but obviously there wasn't any.

Why did it have merit?

don't use that "US KICKED UN INSPECTORS OUT" stuff and make a big issue out of it.

fact is the us always tell un inspectors to get out before they do airstrikes.

that's not something new. you're talking as if it's something new.

Uhh...no. I'm talking as if that's something they did.

all throughout the 90's whenever america and britain was about to conduct missile or air strikes against iraq they always told un inspectors to get out for their own safety.

No ****.

the reason being the places the un inspectors want to inspect are probably some of the places they were gonna attack.

Uhh...no **** again.

[Kobe B Bryant]

What is your point? That Saddam (like many other nations--including the U.S. ALL THE TIME) jerked the UN around at certain points? Well stop the presses!

In 2003, the US couldn't even get enough countries behind them (UN, right?) so they created the Coalition of the Willing . (UN, right?)

And finally, the point is that the United Nations Inspectors were kicked out by the US so they could go ahead and bomb the country. For no good reason. To kill hundreds and thousands of Iraqis. End of story.

the number of countries wasn't the issue.

a lot of countries supported the u.s.

they kinda have to just because of alliances and economic and political ties.

there's this thing in the U.N. called the security council.

their votes can veto or block a majority u.n. vote.

i think we all know who the 2-3 nations are that have huge interests in iraq that are on the security council.

[IMDAZED]

the number of countries wasn't the issue.

a lot of countries supported the u.s.

they kinda have to just because of alliances and economic and political ties.

there's this thing in the U.N. called the security council.

their votes can veto or block a majority u.n. vote.

i think we all know who the 2-3 nations are that have huge interests in iraq that are on the security council.

Who cares?

The bottom line is:

The U.S.A. has killed hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians for no reason. And lied to their own population in the process to justify their disgusting actions. End of story.

[Kobe B Bryant]

Why did it have merit?



Uhh...no. I'm talking as if that's something they did.



No ****.

Uhh...no **** again.

i said "some merit" and it did. enough to go to war? probably not but that's debatable i guess.


you keep mentioning "US kicked UN inspectors out" as if it's something new. it's not. they always tell them to get out before they conduct military operations.


i'm done.

not really interested in this topic anymore.

the guy made a joke mentioning this topic , i kind of threw a little joke back with some facts.


not everything is black and white. this topic included.

[Kobe B Bryant]

Who cares?

The bottom line is:

The U.S.A. has killed hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians for no reason. And lied to their own population in the process to justify their disgusting actions. End of story.

it wouldn't be the first time.

it won't be the last.

[IMDAZED]

i said "some merit" and it did. enough to go to war? probably not but that's debatable i guess.

What was the merit?

[IMDAZED]

it wouldn't be the first time.

it won't be the last.

Sadly you're right. Disgusting as it is.

[tacoboxer]

do you know that while DLH puts himself out there like hes a good guy, how many times ive heard or read hes actaully a prick?

hell, look at that article from GQ about pacquaio. id assume you would let your kids get an autograph from him though huh? a womanizer who cheats on his wife, has the people working around him in fear of him, getting **********s preggo and ****...thats a real role model huh

tiger woods, i have met him personly...in a club though. a club named "The Roxy" here in orlando. i met him back in 03.

while tiger had his good guy image on tv and had just gotten married, i saw a totally different tiger this night.

dude was chillen in a "gangsta lean" against the vip bar, there with his boys and having his boys bring chics up to him to meet him. even leaving with a couple chics at the end of the night.

so again, whether good or bad. most people who are celebs have media personalities which isnt who they truly are when a camera isnt smack-dab in their faces. so yes, in a sense-they are "actors" being that they are displaying a character when in the media which is different away from the media

floyd shifted media personalites from pretty boy to money. you can see when this transition was taking place, and it starting taking place when he wasnt getting the fights and popularity he felt he deserved. show he changed his media character to become more marketable.

with all the **** that ALI was saying, would you have let your kids get an autograph from him if you lived in that time?

my parents go to vegas all the time and my father met Floyd when out in a casino one night. he said floyd was a really cool guy, humble and polite. wasnt in the mood to take a pic but gave him his autograph

so one more time, your post doest make sense.

and he doesnt need an L just to learn from it. ever heard of living vicariously through others and learning from their mistakes?

so yet again, your post makes no sense.

Lets get the easy stuff out of the way... Its important to you for Floyd to keep his undefeated record... I think he can have the best and most memorable part of his career even after a loss.... so we can agree to disagree on that point.

Now the part that you say makes no sense...... actually you do get it...... its right under your nose... your not giving yourself enough credit.

Oscar acts like a good guy but does crap behind the scenes - you admit his character is questionable
Pac acts like a good guy but does crap behind the scenes - you admit his character is questionable
Tiger act like a good guy but does crap behind the scenes - you admit his character is questionable

You are a smart guy and you realize those actions are a part of their character. THATS MY POINT.... what you DO comes out of who you ARE!!! You are correctly assessing the whole person and not just who they pretend to be.

What makes no sense to me is why you are applying a different standard to Floyd trying to say he is a good guy and choosing to overlook all his horrible behavior. You've convinced yourself that he really is a good guy because you see him treat his family and friends nice on tv, and your dad says so because he got his autograph in Vegas.

Why two different standards?

I can appreciate the skills of all the above mentioned superstars but none deserve or expect any more from us than that....

[wizard king]

If Pac ever wants to get Mayweather in the ring.... his ability to negotiate a fight just got a whole lot tougher.

Here are the facts:

Against common opponents Mayweather is the bigger draw and Floyd will now demand Pacquiao accept a purse split in Mayweather's favor.

Here are the PPV facts:
Floyd v Hatton 915,000 PPV buys (Pac v Hatton 850,000 PPV buys)
Floyd v DLH 2.4 Mil PPV buys (Pac v DLH 1.25 Mil PPV buys)
Floyd v Marquez 1 Mil PPV buys (Pac v Marquez2 400,000 PPV buys)

With the benefit of Pac v Marquez1, why didn't Pacquiao draw more fans in two fights against Marquez than Mayweather did in one?

In each case the public voted with their dollars and more people prefer to watch Mayweather over Pacquiao vs. common opponents. This fact is indisputable.

Pac Fans you are going to have to come to grips with the fact that if Pac ever wants to fight Floyd he is going to have to take a drug test according to WADA or USADA protocol AND (because Pac wouldn't agree to full testing for the fight in March...) now he is going to have to take the lesser end of the purse split (60/40 minimum) because Mayweather has already proven he is the bigger draw and with the May 1st fight expected to do more than twice what Pacquiao v Clottey did (700,000 ppv buys)..... I'm sorry to say Pac and Bob Arum's job just got a whole lot tougher.

Or he can just choose to walk away.... and retire....

hey ****** these fights "Floyd v DLH 2.4 Mil PPV buys (Pac v DLH 1.25 Mil PPV buys)" dlh is pushing those numbers so those dont count as floyd numbers, even though floyd was in one of those fights

[tacoboxer]

hey ****** these fights "Floyd v DLH 2.4 Mil PPV buys (Pac v DLH 1.25 Mil PPV buys)" dlh is pushing those numbers so those dont count as floyd numbers, even though floyd was in one of those fights

Enough with the name calling.... its unnecessary to get your point across.

Even if what you say is true (I disagree).... almost twice as many people were interested in watching DLH v Mayweather than DLH v Pac (1.15 million less homes were willing to shell out cash when Pac was in the ring against DLH.... you cant just disregard that part of the equation and simply say Mayweather has minimal ppv drawing power ).

To argue that 100% of the people that bought those fights were DLH fans is to completely discredit Pac and Floyd.

So what is your excuse for Hatton and Marquez?