If Mosley only have a better trainer from the start....

**Pullcounter** · 04-20-2010, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Frank Martin

I think he wouldnt lost to Forrest and Winky. Even if he lost, it wont be an embarrasing loss. Jack Mosley is a **** trainer. He instructed Shane to aim for the head of a moving target.

forrest and winky are just too big for mosley. they just have his number.

**P.WILL** · 04-20-2010, 10:11 PM

Jack trained Mosley since he was young into a world champ, I wouldn't call him crap. Having a famous trainer doesn't mean you will become an elite fighter.

**Frank Martin** · 04-20-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by P.WILL

Jack trained Mosley since he was young into a world champ, I wouldn't call him crap. Having a famous trainer doesn't mean you will become an elite fighter.

He should at least come with a good gameplan although its still up for the fighter.

**AntonTheMeh** · 04-20-2010, 10:15 PM

I've felt the same way about tito and cotto as well.

Originally posted by P.WILL

Jack trained Mosley since he was young into a world champ, I wouldn't call him crap. Having a famous trainer doesn't mean you will become an elite fighter.

maybe he's not crap, but i think some guys need that other trainer to take them to the next level.

**Pullcounter** · 04-20-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Frank Martin

He should at least come with a good gameplan although its still up for the fighter.

jack isn't a strategy type trainer, he's a guy that gets you in shape and teaches you how to box.

**MOTHER DUCKER** · 04-20-2010, 10:19 PM

He got whooped by Forrest in the ams as well im suprised they did not come up with a fight plan at least by the 2nd pro fight to make it somewhat close. Second Winky fight was closer at least, but still pretty clear loss..

I think Mosley was more in need of a better manager if anything tbh, he should have stayed far away from those dudes.. especially Winky hadn't Mosley learnt his lesson from the Forrest crap? Dude never learned and it really hurt his marketability guy could have been a huge star

**BigStereotype** · 04-20-2010, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by ALPHAΩMEGA

I've felt the same way about tito and cotto as well.

Evangelista was a pretty good trainer. We saw what happened when Santiago took over, he was kinda helpless. Evangelista focused him very well. Jack Mosley was good at developing Shane's natural athleticism, but when he had to come up with gameplans, he was very mediocre. "You a hard puncher, Shane, hit him." Sound like good advice to you? Brother Naazim gave him real guidance and he looked like a new man.

**Frank Martin** · 04-20-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by snootz86

He got whooped by Forrest in the ams as well im suprised they did not come up with a fight plan at least by the 2nd pro fight to make it somewhat close. Second Winky fight was closer at least, but still pretty clear loss..

I think Mosley was more in need of a better manager if anything tbh, he should have stayed far away from those dudes.. especially Winky hadn't Mosley learnt his lesson from the Forrest crap? Dude never learned and it really hurt his marketability guy could have been a huge star

Jack didnt train Shane in the 2nd Winky fight.

**MOTHER DUCKER** · 04-20-2010, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Frank Martin

Jack didnt train Shane in the 2nd Winky fight.

Well then there ya go

i'd say a better manager would have been great but a guy like Richardson/Shane teaming up earlier would be interesting

If Mosley only have a better trainer from the start....