Pavlik = worst middleweight championship reign ever?

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  • Calilloyd
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    #11
    Originally posted by ulises_solis
    his reign was better than taylor imo
    i mean at least he didnt left room for doubt in his wins, like taylor did against spinks
    Spinks is better than any opponent Pavlik defended his title aginst outside of Martinez. Two time world champ is better than Locket,Espino.

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    • ulises_solis
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      #12
      Originally posted by Calilloyd
      Spinks is better than any opponent Pavlik defended his title aginst outside of Martinez. Two time world champ is better than Locket,Espino.
      no gary "the rocket" lockett was great, epic fighter

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      • Iceta Lives
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        #13
        I was one of those people who thought he could beat Abraham for a while and then changed my pick to Abraham after what I saw Arthur do to JT. But after I saw Abe's fight with Dirrell I changed my pick back to Pavlik. I know Dirrell is a hard fighter to look good against, but Abraham looked so ****** in there. I think him and Pavlik would be a competitive fight even still.

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        • Bhopreign
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          #14
          Not the worst title reign at middle no. Kelly is just a guy that needs you to cooperate a bit with him in order for him to look his best, he's limited, not athletic, just doesnt have good feet at all. Kelly's problem is he's too concerned about getting hit, since he's not a counter puncher that throws him off quite a bit.
          Last edited by Bhopreign; 04-18-2010, 05:14 PM.

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          • Bhopreign
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            #15
            Originally posted by DiegoFuego
            Like I said, he's a good (not great) fighter who probably would never have become middleweight champ if Taylor had the resolve to finish him when he was ready to go in that first fight.

            He showed good adjustment against Martinez too in the middle rounds...but Martinez is a junior middleweight. The size mismatch was frightening in there. My friend who doesn't follow boxing walked in and asked if Pavlik was a heavyweight, they looked so far apart.

            And yeah, I'm bashing on Arum and whoever else managed his career because he went down the toilet faster than just about any rising star.
            I think Arum managed his career well until he was pit against Hopkins and now Martinez. Pavlik has made very good money in his career. Even the Hopkins fight I think he got 3 mil.

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            • rskumm21
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              #16
              Hopefully the middleweight division will become something to be excited about again. Martinez isn't the type to duck of dodge anybody. You've got Williams, Zbik, Sturm; Angulo might be coming up, and there are many players at super middle weight, who knows, AA might come down... Should be interesting.

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              • jrosales13
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                #17
                Originally posted by rskumm21
                Hopefully the middleweight division will become something to be excited about again. Martinez isn't the type to duck of dodge anybody. You've got Williams, Zbik, Sturm; Angulo might be coming up, and there are many players at super middle weight, who knows, AA might come down... Should be interesting.
                No, he won't. But, I agree with everything else you said.

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                • Onlylikeboxing
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                  #18
                  This might sound harsh but I honestly don't care to hear about Pavlik again.

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                  • TheGreatA
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                    #19
                    Historically the worst MW champion ever was Al McCoy, who won his title on a fluke knockout and then held the title for 4 years even though he lost every title defense. The title could only be won on a knockout back then, so McCoy kept his belt until being KO'd.

                    I agree that Pavlik had a rather poor reign though. Light middleweights aren't supposed to beat middleweights, but the middleweight division has been lacking in talent for some time.

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                      #20
                      It was an awful reign, if you can call it that. Now I feel vindicated for yelling "you ***ing suck Pavlik, all hype" infront of all my friends when Taylor knocked him flat on his knees.

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