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    When Someone's 0 might just go



    Mayweather vs Mosley - Pressure of a Perfect Boxing Record; When Someone's "0" Just Might Go
    By Media Report on Doghouse Boxing (April 14, 2010) * *

    Boxing is not a sport that readily lends itself to statistics, but one set of numbers is as elemental as a left-right combination: a fighter's wins, losses and draws. We often overvalue a good record and misinterpret a mediocre one; there are dozens of 10-loss veterans who are better than young fighters with only one or two defeats.

    Nothing, however, catches our eye like a perfect record and when one or both undefeated fighters square off, you can count on either the ring announcer or the TV commentators declaring, "Somebody's '0' has got to go!" or "Maybe tonight his '0' might just go!"

    Yet the fascination with a fighter who's never lost remains strong. For instance, the appeal of Floyd Mayweather, who's "0" is on the line against Sugar Shane Mosley on May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and live on HBO Pay-Per-View®, can be attributed to his sustained excellence and his star power, but there's something more. Over the course of his 15-year career, Mayweather's engaged in 40 fights, and each time he's proven himself the better man.

    Maybe we focus on a perfect record more than the fighters do...

    "I don't think about the '0'," said Mayweather, whose last loss came on July 22, 1996, at the Olympic Games in Atlanta. "I think about winning. Everything takes care of itself if you win.

    "Of course it's a great thing to be undefeated, but I don't consciously think about it when I'm preparing for the next fight."

    The record against which all others are judged is former heavyweight champion Rocky Marciano's mark of 49-0. In September 1985, then-WBC titlist Larry Holmes was 48-0 when he lost to Michael Spinks.

    "I was always tying records, breaking records; it didn't mean [expletive] to me," Holmes said. "I didn't care. What was important was making money, keeping the title, and proving people wrong.

    "The undefeated record meant I wasn't getting beaten up, and that meant a lot to me."

    In November 2008, super middleweight/light heavyweight champion Joe Calzaghe fought for the last time. He retired with a record of 46-0. What made Calzaghe different from most unbeaten fighters is that his toughest tests, vs. Jeff Lacy, Bernard Hopkins and Mikkel Kessler, came toward the conclusion of his hall of fame career.

    "I never really dwelled on the '0' until close to the end, when I realized I had only a couple of fights left, I was undefeated and I could retire that way," Calzaghe said. "I always hated to lose, and when I did so as an amateur, it burned me up inside and created my motivation for winning.

    "Taking big fights wasn't a risk for me because I believed in myself and went for it. I can say, however, that it was a relief when it was all over and I finished undefeated and ahead of the game."

    Calzaghe certainly fought the best available opposition, as did unbeatens Marciano and Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1), but in today's boxing world, there are four major titles per division and, as a result, champions can protect their records more easily than in the past. That's largely why alphabet titlists like junior welterweight Terry Marsh (26-0-1), welterweight Michael Loewe (28-0) and junior featherweight Ji Won Kim (16-0-2) were able to retire without having lost. Marsh and Loewe defended their respective titles only once each.

    The question remains...is a perfect record a sign of perfection or does an imperfect record reveal anything at all? Consider the following:

    *Ninety-nine percent of boxing historians rank Sugar Ray Robinson as the best fighter in history. He lost 19 times.

    *Muhammad Ali was "The Greatest" despite losing five fights. In fact, he arguably gained more respect in his first loss, to Joe Frazier, than in building a record of 31-0.

    *Since 1900, eight world champions have retired-and stayed retired-without having lost a fight. Even at their respective peaks, five of them never made the pound-for-pound top 10.

    *Among today's elite, Bernard Hopkins lost his professional debut and Manny Pacquiao lost to an opponent who went 2-4-1 in his next seven fights.

    THEIR FIRST LOSSES

    Julio Cesar Chaves 89-0-1 L12 Frankie Randell
    Nino Benvenuti 65-0 L15 Ky Soo Kim
    Ruben Olivares 60-0-1 KO14 Chucho Castillo
    Larry Holmes 48-0 L15 Michael Spinks
    Carlos Zarate 52-0 KO5 Wiford Gomez
    Ricky Hatton 43-0 KO10 Floyd Mayweather
    Marco A. Barrera 43-0 DQ5 Junoir Jones
    *Sugar Ray Robinson 40-0 L10 Jake Lamotta
    George Forman 40-0 KO8 Muhammad Ali
    Felix Trinidad 40-0 KO12 Bernard Hopkins
    Sugar Shane Mosley 38-0 L12 Vernon Forrest
    Mike Tyson 37-0 KO10 Buster Douglas
    Muhammad Ali 31-0 L15 Joe Frazier
    Oscar de la Hoya 31-0 L1r Felix Trinidad
    Sugar Ray Leonard 27-0 L15 Roberto Duran

    *Robinson's only loss in his first 132 bouts

    In evaluating recent champions, then, we must look at their body of work, and not just their records. The resume of five-division titlist Mayweather is impressive, making his perfect record all the more eye-popping. Maybe, just maybe, remaining undefeated and keeping his "0" means more than he'll acknowledge.

    "No one wants to lose their '0'," said Floyd Mayweather Sr., a top trainer and Mayweather's father. "I'm sure he thinks about it and it motivates him. Fortunately for my son, it's so far so good and I don't see anyone taking that '0' away from him either."

    WORLD CHAMPS WHO RETIRED UNBEATEN

    Rocky Marciano 49-0
    Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1
    Joe Calzaghe 46-0
    Jimmy Barry 59-0-10
    Jack McAuliffe 34-0-7
    Sven Ottke 34-0
    Terry Marsh 26-0-1
    Pichit Sith****prachan 24-0
    Ji Won Kim 16-0-2
    Michael Loewe 28-0

    Note: In no particular order

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  • Piper the Great
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    bump bump bump

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    • GoogleMe
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      Good read, but Trinidad's loss to Bernard is ****. It was like watching a midget fight a lion.

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      • MARKBNLV
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        Originally posted by GoogleMe
        Good read, but Trinidad's loss to Bernard is ****. It was like watching a midget fight a lion.
        Oh come on man Trinidad was heavily favored coming into that fight,trust me i made good money in that fight,not to mention whe he fought dlh i had oscar ahead at the time of stoppage.

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