Naazim is using wrong tactics for this fight

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  • Jim Tom
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    #71
    Originally posted by AmericanYeti
    1. Spell it with me: suffocating.
    2. I didn't talk about the shortcomings of your "analysis" because I thought it had been adequately covered. However, I will now. Saying that Brother Naazim is training Mosley wrong by telling him to punch Mayweather's body is ludicrous. But not only are you saying he shouldn't body punch, you're not offering any real suggestions, just throwing it out there that you think he's wrong. And you're getting this all from a seconds-long video clip that you saw. And don't tell me you went to his training camp. If you were the sort of person that they'd let into training camp, you wouldn't post about it on the forums. AND, if you knew half as much about boxing as you claimed, you wouldn't discredit Shane's jab as much as you do. It's not a show-stopper like Cotto's, but it's definitely good. And it's LIGHTNING fast. And that's all you need to bother Floyd, at least for a few rounds. However, you seem like you don't know any of this.

    Now, for the rest of your argument. Your assumption that I come from a "family of illiterates" is out of nowhere. Also, I never said that an analyst would never come on a forum. It's just clear from the way you make predictions and write that you aren't one. If you had such a desire to stay anonymous, you never would have put it out there in the first place. Your "loaded" friends can come here all they want, it doesn't make you an analyst. You're a forum-goer who's trying to pad his internet resume, and I hate you. Die in a hole.
    FYI I'm not here for a spelling contest.I dont have that time,good for you if you have the time.I just come,read posts which are of interest,if I contribute that's it.Normally someone checks their work before submitting and that's what I do.Spelling mistakes are common but can be ironed out but I have no intention to revise the work.In everything you do,I dont know what professional training you have,there is something called MATERIALITY.How important is the spelling mistake?Does it alter the message being conveyed?Does it change the meaning of the message?If it is material then I correct,if it's not then you plough on.

    Ask anyone who did accounting or audits.During an audit errors will be found.Do you restate the accounts because there was a $20 amount which was transposed as $0.02?Would that make you change your perception of the accounts?Coming back to you,if that spelling mistake makes you not get the message then you are a petty person and the forum is not for you.Why cant you find something to do with your time rather than worrying about whether everyone is spelling their words correctly as if they get paid for it?

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    • Jim Tom
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      #72
      Originally posted by SekondzOut
      when did ANYONE EVER accuse Naazim of using the WRONG tactics?!? ....NSB has taken the pre fight **** talkin' to new level!!!
      Trainers are human and they get it wrong sometimes.Though debatable I'm sure george Bush got a lot of things wrong,the Leahman Brothers CEO surely got some things wrong.Yes he was educated and getting paid a lot of money but still got things wrong..Anyone can point out someone's errors

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      • Mickey Gomez
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        #73
        At least the TS made a thread about strategy, whether right or wrong it's a breath of fresh air from the other garbage.

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        • pbftxrs316
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          #74
          Originally posted by Sutekh uvdabrix
          I think its a good strategy... Unleash sharp straight punches when floyd shells up....if they are sharp and quick and accurate enough hell hurt floyd..out work him and also be too fast for floyd to counter punch. Floyds last opponants lets be real..rick hatton... face first brawler.. de la hoya...clearly way past it and threw wide looping punches...and JMM simply way over his effective weight and short.
          shane isn't faster than judah though--and judah is a better technician than shane--judah's punches aren't wide, and floyd countered zab easily---and floyd's never been hurt, so i don't see how shane is going to do it---he can for the aspect of any fighter can be hurt, but floyd has a great chin--he's been stunned a few times, not hurt though---shane fights too stiff--he's not that elusive---but ****m is one hell of a trainer--he has a good strategy for shane i'm sure---shane doesn't throw fast enough to offset floyd's counters---floyd can counter any fighter, no matter how fast their hands are, coz of his timing--that's why he and rogers do that padwork routine---roger throws fast jabs at floyd and floyd counters them---and floyd sr also---floyd sr's hands are still fast as **** and floyd used to counter his jabs when he trained him the pads---shane throwing at floyd's chest will give floyd more counter oppertunities, coz he'll throw over him, unless floyd is on the ropes---and watch how floyd counters shane off of the block and shouder roll--hiding his right behind his lead shoulder, blocking a punch and then nailing shane with the right hand, he's done it before----that's a weapon floyd has mastered--shane will have to have tremendous stamina for this kid---he has to impose his will but in a tempered manner---

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          • tacoboxer
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            #75
            Originally posted by OnePunch
            Analyst: One who analyzes, or who is skilled in analysis

            One not need be a paid professional to qualify as an "analyst". Every poster here on some level fits that description. There is no pre-requiste to actually be "correct" though in having the title of "analyst". Jim Kramer on CNBC is an analyst, yet he was still recommending Citi and Countrywide when everyone else had sense enough to short the financial stocks. So just because one calls themselves an "analyst", that in no way qualifies their opinion as more credible than anyone elses.

            The thing I find most interesting is that you seem to want to take credit or somehow have your opinion deemed as "credible" because you refer to yourself as an "analyst", yet you refuse to identify yourself in order for others to examine your body of work. In my opinion, if you wish to remain anonymous and not have your work evaluated by others, then I wouldnt expect to be given the benefit of the doubt as to your qualifications as an analyst. No different than if a poster identified themselves as a "world class trainer" to qualify their opinions, however refused to identify themselves or name one world class fighter they trained.

            I identify myself as a promoter and an advisor, and feel that I am qualified to debate most boxing issues. And my name and reputation is available for all to see. Does that make me more credible? Maybe, maybe not. But at least the reader can openly evaluate my credentials in making that determination.

            Just my $.02


            Edit: And Shane is WAY too slow to even think about hitting Floyd in the head with lead shots. Going to the chest, mid-section, and arms is IMO absolutely the right call. The head shots will only come at the end of combos, or Shane will be swinging at air all night long.

            The poster who said "hit him on the arm" was spot on as well. Look at Roy Jones vs. Eric Harding for reference. Jones pounded on Hardings' arm for 4 or 5 rounds till Harding couldnt even throw it anymore.
            Couldn't agree with your post more (much more articulate than I could put it after several attempts...)

            The grasp of common sense seems so ellusive to some....

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            • Championart
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              #76
              Why so much hate for the TS, all he did was state his opinion like everyone else here does. He actually explained himself in detail about his view on a particular strategy being used which is a lot better than 90% of the garbage threads posted daily by the second which only argues about *****s and *******s and my boxer is greater than yours, my boxer whips yours in fantasy fighting theories that goes on here. Whether the guy is an analyst or not he's just pointing out something he viewed as a flaw. Nobody is taking anything away from ****m, he's a trainer and not perfect. Its much harder to 'come up" with a gameplan than it is to "point out" a flaw in a gameplan so its not like TS is doing anything groundbreaking.

              With that being said i don't agree with the flaw that TS pointed out in ****m's gameplan. First of all Floy'd hasn't lost yet so there is no right gameplan and you can find a flaw in any that a trainer decides to use against him. I believe in order to beat Floy'd you are going to have to "Will" yourself to win in that ring and the only person today who i see as having that "Will" is Pac, there will never be a perfect game plan, style or strategy against him as he adjusts to each individual fighter. There won't ever be a (a b a c a b b) combo/gameplan/strategy that's going to be the blueprint against him. Being that in order to catch floyd you are going to have to wear him down or simply hit any legal part of him that you can. If you go head hunting for most of the fight you won't land as much as if you hit him in the body, chest and arms. If you throw at his head he counters you, if you throw at his body he still counters you, only difference is you have a larger canvas to paint versus going for the head and when landed you have a chance to wear him down. Shane i don't think has that will needed to beat Floyd but he can make things interesting if he applies himself but will finish a close second.
              Last edited by Championart; 04-20-2010, 01:39 AM.

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              • Haqq
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                #77
                I am more than sure he is going into this match with more than one tactic. In rd. 1-2 if its not working he is going to have soemthing to fall back on most def.

                Mosley > Mayweather

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                • Jim Tom
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Jakutindi Wauya
                  Mosley's targeting Floyd Mayweather's heart,most of his shots will be aimed around the chest area nearer to the heart.Watch Shane's footage,see where Naazim has the pad for Shane to hit,that's the targeted area.That worked with Margarito but it will not work with Mayweather.This is the reason Naazim says Floyd will fold after the 5th round.He wants to put pressure on that area like he did with Margarito.

                  I've seen Mayweather training and the two gloves are covering that area well so Mayweather's already anticipating that move.What makes Shane more vulnerable is that he cant move his head well.This is why Shane has a problem with boxers.He's been working on his hand speed which is great but he will be getting destroyed in this fight.His handspeed will not be enough because he doesnt have a jab.

                  When it's all done Shane will be Floyd's target practice,Floyd wont miss a shot and his accuracy will be a record high
                  Didnt I say Mosley cant move his head and ddint I say Naazim is using the wrong tactics?

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                  • Jim Tom
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                    So what you're really saying is... you know more than ****m.
                    Are you answered now?

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                    • Jim Tom
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Haqq
                      I am more than sure he is going into this match with more than one tactic. In rd. 1-2 if its not working he is going to have soemthing to fall back on most def.

                      Mosley > Mayweather
                      You saw the outcome,you can answer yourself now

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