how the hell..does gatti gain 20 pounds in 1 day?

[masterdirector]

Umm...thanks turk and super lightweight (though I prefer saying jr. welterweight).

ThunderGatti, they told you, ha.

[tri4ben2]

None of the US commissions are going to make the weigh-ins the day of the fights. You have more of a chance of letting a fighter fight without a mouth-piece.

Part of being a professional boxer is the ability to lose large amounts of weight in a short amount of time AND be able to gain it back while keeping your strengh in the 24 or so hours you have before the actual fight.

If you spend a lot of time working on your jab to give you an advantage, your opponent can hire a nutritionist to help them lose large amounts of weight and still be strong.

Any jackass can lose 10-12% of their bodyweight for a weigh-in if they didn't have to fight. When you don't do it right, you end up fighting like crap like Cotto in his last fight against Coreley.

[hectari]

Thunder, you are blinded by your love of Arturo Gatti. What he did was wrong. He knew he weighed too much, hence why he jumped off that scale.

I did a google search? There's no need to insult me. Don't turn this into a personal attack upon myself, friend. I was trying to settle both of you down. In this case, I must say you were simply uninformed about the Gatti-Gamache fight.

Jack Newfield (the late great) wrote that article by the way, in case you didn't bother checking. I didn't just pull it out of my ass off some ass google search. The Shame of Boxing, one of the better articles written in recent years on our sport. You should read that entire article.

Take a look around, educate yourself. Charles Jay has three interesting E-books that you could read.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/

I don't agree with everything he has in those books, but I like him overall.

And look, Gatti does have lots of heart as a fighter. As a person, mmm...I don't know. Seems okay, but it is hard for me to think very highly of a guy that endangers the lives of his opponents with an unfair weight advantage. We're talking Tito Trinidad fighting DeMarcus Corley, if we take away every bit of skill Corley has (cause let's face it, Gamache was a guy with the very basics of boxing). Gamache could've been killed or even more seriously injured than he was. Gatti is a big part of that problem. He knew in his heart that he was way over the limit.

Now, Gamache's trainer should've done something more. The commissioner should've made Gatti weigh-in again. We don't know what Gatti actually weighed at that weigh-in, except that it was clearly over the limit.

Now, are you actually trying to have a conversation or just trying to insult me? If you want to insult me, fine, but not out here on public display. PM me if you're just trying that. I'm not trying to "school" you or anything. I just think you're misinformed.

^was it a title fight? if this fight was sanctioned by one of the major belts,I heard the IBF has to do two weigh ins and a fighter cannot gain more then 10 pounds the next day.

I saw that fight and it was brutal if anyone had heart that day it was joey gamache! gatti was out to kill knowing full well he outweighed the guy and had a major size advantage.

Gatti is one of my favorites but I have to admit what he did was his own ethics, It was sneaky jumping off the scales I heard he weighed 145 on the scale but he only put half a foot on the scale and was on the edge of it, I call that cheap and cheat.

[ThunderGatti]

Thunder, you are blinded by your love of Arturo Gatti. What he did was wrong. He knew he weighed too much, hence why he jumped off that scale.

I did a google search? There's no need to insult me. Don't turn this into a personal attack upon myself, friend. I was trying to settle both of you down. In this case, I must say you were simply uninformed about the Gatti-Gamache fight.

Jack Newfield (the late great) wrote that article by the way, in case you didn't bother checking. I didn't just pull it out of my ass off some ass google search. The Shame of Boxing, one of the better articles written in recent years on our sport. You should read that entire article.

Take a look around, educate yourself. Charles Jay has three interesting E-books that you could read.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/

I don't agree with everything he has in those books, but I like him overall.

And look, Gatti does have lots of heart as a fighter. As a person, mmm...I don't know. Seems okay, but it is hard for me to think very highly of a guy that endangers the lives of his opponents with an unfair weight advantage. We're talking Tito Trinidad fighting DeMarcus Corley, if we take away every bit of skill Corley has (cause let's face it, Gamache was a guy with the very basics of boxing). Gamache could've been killed or even more seriously injured than he was. Gatti is a big part of that problem. He knew in his heart that he was way over the limit.

Now, Gamache's trainer should've done something more. The commissioner should've made Gatti weigh-in again. We don't know what Gatti actually weighed at that weigh-in, except that it was clearly over the limit.

Now, are you actually trying to have a conversation or just trying to insult me? If you want to insult me, fine, but not out here on public display. PM me if you're just trying that. I'm not trying to "school" you or anything. I just think you're misinformed.

Turk im not blind. The fact is if the weigh in is the not the day of the fight fighters will abuse the the weight avantage in 24 hrs.

But you also have to remember its takes true sacrifice to be able to do that to ur body, a lot of fighters cannot gain that much weight in between the weigh in and fight night.

Im not at all condoning what Gatti did, but u have to look at the hard facts. Say Gatti makes weight hes still gonna out weigh Gamache by 10-12 pounds. And also Gamaches managment could be at fault too, they should have made a "fuss" about it. But they rolled over thinkin Gamache could handle a big Gatti. Its unfortuate that Gamache got hurt but from what I heard hes is ok now, just cant fight. But you know turk its boxing and people get hurt

[hectari]

Turk im not blind. The fact is if the weigh in is the not the day of the fight fighters will abuse the the weight avantage in 24 hrs.

But you also have to remember its takes true sacrifice to be able to do that to ur body, a lot of fighters cannot gain that much weight in between the weigh in and fight night.

Im not at all condoning what Gatti did, but u have to look at the hard facts. Say Gatti makes weight hes still gonna out weigh Gamache by 10-12 pounds. And also Gamaches managment could be at fault too, they should have made a "fuss" about it. But they rolled over thinkin Gamache could handle a big Gatti. Its unfortuate that Gamache got hurt but from what I heard hes is ok now, just cant fight. But you know turk its boxing and people get hurt

^I also believe gamaches people should have stopped it after the first round but that is besides the point.

Gatti got pummeled by a oscar dela hoya! so gatti will never be a middleweight or a serious 147 pounder ever, even if his natural weight is 160 his body type is to small to be dangerous at those higher weights.

[hectari]

I really doubt Gamache's manager truly believed his fighter would beat Gatti. He should've said something, yes, but he was human. He was the little trainer in most likely the biggest fight he'd been involved in. That is no excuse, but that is probably why the trainer didn't say anymore. He wanted his fighter to be able to say he was in there with someone like Gatti. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity. It was irresponsible, but it was probably also the reason he didn't stop the fight himself.

My point is if Gatti came in at 145 or so for the weigh in, and he gained 15 lbs, my goodness, he was huge by the time of the fight. Instead of being a super welterweight he'd have been a bonafide middleweight.

Gatti did this, it was against the rules to come in overweight and he did just that. Knowingly too.

When Toney, Vargas, and Mosley all tested positive for steroids, I didn't hold it against them so much because I really doubt any of those three knew they were on such drugs. If they had, why would they not pay off someone in their entourage not juiced up to take the urine test? Mosley could've easily got his wife to take it.

Mosley, Vargas, and Toney all have a connection, California. So does Barry Bonds. Balco labs. I speculate that these athletes, most if not all of them (anybody using Balco labs' products) had no clue that they were taking steroids. Who in their right mind would do so?

Toney especially, since his positive test came way after all the other windfall. Which his probably was legitimately from his shoulder surgery. It is still inexcusable for the fighter to be on them, I'm not excusing that. It is still against the rules. But it is the probability that they did not knowingly cheat that is the difference.

^They all took ingestible roids or the cream that you rub on your arm and sinks in your pores. I think the advantage of these roids is that there effects are less noticeable since they are not as powerful as the injections. Do you remember the name of the roids they test positive for? Didnt roy jones jr take some too?

[dsh2005]

go on me old ****er

[repsa]

I doubt the effectiveness of any steroids for any boxers anyhow really. If anything, they're a minus, slowing a fighter down. What good is a more powerful punch if you're all bulky and too slow to land it? Not justification, just my personal viewpoint if I were a fighter.

[Red_Menace]

I dunno. Steroids won't necessarily make you bulky. It depends how you train with them. Steroids help you train harder, because your body is less prone to injury. I think steroids could probably help a boxer quite a bit.