Comments Thread For: David Can Be Great if He Drops The Haymakers

[Dynamite Kid]

I wouldn't class Haye as great even if he beat both Klitschko's, because they are not great themselves. They are very good, but far from great. Their domination of the HW division is down to the lack of young, fit, skilled and athletic HW's in the sport. Compare this to the 80's and 90's when we had Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield dominating boxing greatest division. Even contenders like Bruno, McCall, and Douglas would destroy most of the HW's around today. Arreola, Chambers, Haye, Johnson, Povetkin, Chagaev, Valuev, Peter etc wouldn't of been able to compete in the 80's-90's. The Klitschko's would have been contenders at best, maybe winning a title along the way, but they would lose more top level fights than they won.

I agree to an extent but the Klits would be more than contenders, Witherspoon is a two time World Champion, Herbie Hide was a belt holder at one point.

I think what you mean is neither would be THE Heavyweight champ, i do think they would be title holders, one of them would anyway, probably Vitali.

[Dave Rado]

I think those things might have to do with his lack of sparring.....he did suffer a cut over the eye from a BJ Flores left hook in a sparring session that prohibited him from sparring for the final 6 weeks in camp.

Possibly, but regardless of the reason, he hasn't done anything yet to indicate that he has a chance against either Klitschko. His barely beat the extremely limited Valuev, and against Ruiz for whatever reason, was full of serious flaws that would have made him an easy victim for either of the brothers. Until he has a much better Heavyweight performance, those who give him a good chance of beating the Klitschkos have no evidence to back up their claim and are either nuthuggers, or seriously under-estimate the brothers (or both).

[Dave Rado]

I wouldn't class Haye as great even if he beat both Klitschko's, because they are not great themselves. They are very good, but far from great. Their domination of the HW division is down to the lack of young, fit, skilled and athletic HW's in the sport. Compare this to the 80's and 90's when we had Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield dominating boxing greatest division. Even contenders like Bruno, McCall, and Douglas would destroy most of the HW's around today. Arreola, Chambers, Haye, Johnson, Povetkin, Chagaev, Valuev, Peter etc wouldn't of been able to compete in the 80's-90's. The Klitschko's would have been contenders at best, maybe winning a title along the way, but they would lose more top level fights than they won.

Some of their fans over-rate them, but you seriously under-rate them. Chambers is similar in style and speed to Byrd and Jimmy Young (who beat Foreman). Wlad isn't the same fighter who lost to Brewster, or to Sanders. Under Steward's tutelage he has improved as much as Pacquiao has under Roach, and the current version of Wlad would have been an extremely dangerous opponent for any heavyweight in history, and would have beaten several of the ATGs. Vitali is also much more savvy and a better boxer than he was when he lost to Lewis.

People who find them boring tend to take that into account when they rate them, but quality and excitingness are not related.

[D-MiZe]

Look at all those Klit alts now.

[Pirao]

I wouldn't class Haye as great even if he beat both Klitschko's, because they are not great themselves. They are very good, but far from great. Their domination of the HW division is down to the lack of young, fit, skilled and athletic HW's in the sport. Compare this to the 80's and 90's when we had Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield dominating boxing greatest division. Even contenders like Bruno, McCall, and Douglas would destroy most of the HW's around today. Arreola, Chambers, Haye, Johnson, Povetkin, Chagaev, Valuev, Peter etc wouldn't of been able to compete in the 80's-90's. The Klitschko's would have been contenders at best, maybe winning a title along the way, but they would lose more top level fights than they won.

Your post is full of ****, but I'm going to focus on the bolded part: according to your astounding logic, there will never be a great HW again, because noone will ever defeat a great HW again, since according to you the Klitschkos are not great.

[BetterCallSaul]

Your post is full of ****, but I'm going to focus on the bolded part: according to your astounding logic, there will never be a great HW again, because noone will ever defeat a great HW again, since according to you the Klitschkos are not great.

You don't have to beat a great heavyweight to become a great heavyweight, but you do need to beat a multitude of strong, skilled, and hungry boxers in competitive fights. I'm sorry but Wlad's recent opposition doesn't meet those criterias. However, my opinion of Wlad would go up greatly if he beat Haye, because he matches all of the above criterias and is a step above everybody else in the division except the Klits.

[Pirao]

You don't have to beat a great heavyweight to become a great heavyweight, but you do need to beat a multitude of strong, skilled, and hungry boxers in competitive fights. I'm sorry but Wlad's recent opposition doesn't meet those criterias. However, my opinion of Wlad would go up greatly if he beat Haye, because he matches all of the above criterias and is a step above everybody else in the division except the Klits.

Lol, so if the fights are not competitive you can't be great?

Haye is a step above everybody else in the division, yeah right, that's why he got the same result Holyfield got against Valuev The only top HW Haye has faced so far had him running all night and all Haye got was a close decision.

[BetterCallSaul]

Lol, so if the fights are not competitive you can't be great?

Haye is a step above everybody else in the division, yeah right, that's why he got the same result Holyfield got against Valuev The only top HW Haye has faced so far had him running all night and all Haye got was a close decision.

No of course not. You can still be great and dominate your opponents, even more so even. What I am trying to allude to, is that there are not a lot of good fighters around Wlad and Vitali to test themselves against. Vitali fought one great fighter who was at the end of his career, and came off second best, and lost the fight. The lack of quality around the Klit's is what will harm their legacy, not their skills or boxing prowess. In my opinion, beating Haye would be the best win on each of their resumes. He is skillful, fast, powerful, in amazing shape, a current world champion, and former undisputed cruiserweight champion. If either Wlad or Vitali defeated Haye, it would do their legacies a lot of favours.

[Pirao]

No of course not. You can still be great and dominate your opponents, even more so even. What I am trying to allude to, is that there are not a lot of good fighters around Wlad and Vitali to test themselves against. Vitali fought one great fighter who was at the end of his career, and came off second best, and lost the fight. The lack of quality around the Klit's is what will harm their legacy, not their skills or boxing prowess. In my opinion, beating Haye would be the best win on each of their resumes. He is skillful, fast, powerful, in amazing shape, a current world champion, and former undisputed cruiserweight champion. If either Wlad or Vitali defeated Haye, it would do their legacies a lot of favours.

Lol, Haye is like a Chagaev or Ibragimov, nothing more, so stop overrating him. There's no lack of quality opponents, the Klitschkos just make them look bad because they're so good, if you think Haye could beat Johnson, Arreola, Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov, etc, as easily as the Klitschkos did you're kidding yourself. Vitali is unfortunate that he lost those 4 years due to injury. However Wlad just needs to keep dominating the division for another 3-4 years and noone will be able to deny his achievements any longer.

The "weak competition" excuse is getting old.

[Kayoer]

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