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  • Dynamite Kid
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    Just thinking about Haye vs Wlad and......

    Just thinking about Haye vs Wlad and the conclusion i came to is............

    Haye eats the jab because he leans (foward) into it when looking for the counter right hand, Wlad has a reach advantage and is very patient so i cant see Wlad committing to the jab and giving Haye the opportunity to counter over the top of with the right hand, Wlad never gives up his height so i can see him picking Haye off at will from longe range with the jab, particularly as Haye leans (foward) into it when looking to counter over the jab. I can see Haye waiting and waiting looking for that counter to come, only it never will because Wlad is too patient and cautious to commit and leave himself open, therefore i can see the wreckless Haye getting impatient and throwing that counter from too far out (falling short) and Wlad leaning back slightly and dropping the right hand on him, good night!

    Haye's only chance from what i can see is to come out aggressively and look to try and get that right hand that he jumps in with off and see if he can get lucky with one wild haymaker over the top, having said that, that is even more risky than the first game plan of trying to counter Wlad, other than that i dont see many avenues for him to win.


    Its pointless for a fighter to try and bait Wlad into giving up his height so he can counter because it wont happen, Wlad is too cautious for that, Wlad will dominate centre ring with the jab where if a counter is thrown at him he has lots of space behind him to where he can move back and counter. A defensive fighter or defensive tactics are not going to beat Wlad, not unless you have a considerably reach like him. Sam Peter showed the best way to get to Wlad is to get him out of centre ring and put him on the backfoot where he is uncomfortable and look KO him, as i said though, thats dangerous to, Peter himself almost got starched at the end with a hook off the jab.
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  • paulsinghnl
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    #2
    the key to success for Haye is his fast footwork and fast hands (fastest hw since Ali..ughh..) to potshot him with hard counters, sideways movement, holding on. and that way, try to hurt him like that. but wlad is pretty quick on his feet too and he has a machine gun jab, so that is going to be HARD work for Haye. he needs to become faster and stronger for 12 rds.

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      #3
      Haye doesn't have the luxury of sitting back and tryin to pick his spots...he will get broken down that way...like DK said, Wlad would be more than happy to jab his ass to death


      Haye needs to take the ultimate risk and go balls out...get Wlad in the center and lure him into a firefight and hope one of his bombs lands before he gets put out

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        #4
        Good analysis, I think Haye needs to take the risk and come out quick, hurt Wlad early like Sanders did if he has any chance of winning.

        If we see the start of the 4th and Wlad has not been hurt he will just employ his usual game plan to a late stoppage because by then he will have some idea of how to time Haye and negotiate the proper range

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          #5
          Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
          Just thinking about Haye vs Wlad and the conclusion i came to is............

          Haye eats the jab because he leans (foward) into it when looking for the counter right hand, Wlad has a reach advantage and is very patient so i cant see Wlad committing to the jab and giving Haye the opportunity to counter over the top of with the right hand, Wlad never gives up his height so i can see him picking Haye off at will from longe range with the jab, particularly as Haye leans (foward) into it when looking to counter over the jab. I can see Haye waiting and waiting looking for that counter to come, only it never will because Wlad is too patient and cautious to commit and leave himself open, therefore i can see the wreckless Haye getting impatient and throwing that counter from too far out (falling short) and Wlad leaning back slightly and dropping the right hand on him, good night!

          Haye's only chance from what i can see is to come out aggressively and look to try and get that right hand that he jumps in with off and see if he can get lucky with one wild haymaker over the top, having said that, that is even more risky than the first game plan of trying to counter Wlad, other than that i dont see many avenues for him to win.


          Its pointless for a fighter to try and bait Wlad into giving up his height so he can counter because it wont happen, Wlad is too cautious for that, Wlad will dominate centre ring with the jab where if a counter is thrown at him he has lots of space behind him to where he can move back and counter. A defensive fighter or defensive tactics are not going to beat Wlad, not unless you have a considerably reach like him. Sam Peter showed the best way to get to Wlad is to get him out of centre ring and put him on the backfoot where he is uncomfortable and look KO him, as i said though, thats dangerous to, Peter himself almost got starched at the end with a hook off the jab.
          Good analysis. Haye's only chance is to go all out from the start and hope something lands before he gets KOed himself, which is the most probable outcome.

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          • paulsinghnl
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            #6
            slip the jab, counter hard immediately and get away before he can hit u. that 12 rds long

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              #7
              It's interesting really i think a year maybe more ago i would have thought Vit was the harder fight what with his good chin, but he seems to have slowed down and couldn't do much to Johnson.

              Wlad would probably beat Haye but it comes down to who hits first really imo, i don't think Wlad takes some of those shots from Haye like Ruiz did and same if Wlad landed on Haye. As Wlad is the bigger guy and pretty good at boring it out and protecting his chin 100%, you would have to favor him but i think Haye/Wlad is the fight at HW atm.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Makavelli
                Haye doesn't have the luxury of sitting back and tryin to pick his spots...he will get broken down that way...like DK said, Wlad would be more than happy to jab his ass to death


                Haye needs to take the ultimate risk and go balls out...get Wlad in the center and lure him into a firefight and hope one of his bombs lands before he gets put out
                Originally posted by Spray_resistant
                Good analysis, I think Haye needs to take the risk and come out quick, hurt Wlad early like Sanders did if he has any chance of winning.

                If we see the start of the 4th and Wlad has not been hurt he will just employ his usual game plan to a late stoppage because by then he will have some idea of how to time Haye and negotiate the proper range
                Originally posted by Pirao
                Good analysis. Haye's only chance is to go all out from the start and hope something lands before he gets KOed himself, which is the most probable outcome.
                ^^^^This, this and this.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                  ^^^^This, this and this.



                  he might also want to use some rough house tactics in between those exchanges to fluster Wlad and throw him off rhythm

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                  • Dynamite Kid
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Makavelli
                    he might also want to use some rough house tactics in between those exchanges to fluster Wlad and throw him off rhythm
                    Yeah, he can definitely been thrown off his game imo when flustered/disorganized.

                    A few rabbit punches inside or jamming the uppercut in, in the clinches etc, get the head in there, anything like that.

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