P4P, DLH or Chavez?

[cple]

I think a prime DLH gets a prime Chavez at 140. If you want to know the reasons why I believe this, check my first post.

The outcome of that fight would be meaningless to p4p rankings. A p4p matchup between them on the other hand would be meaningful. And p4p, Chavez beats DLH.

[Exciterx30]

I think you are penalizing Chavez for not being fast and not having one punch power. No fighter is unbeatable. I think if you rank either one above the other it should be on accomplishments not what they can do in the ring.

What would be your point? Accomplishments are based on what you do in the ring. Different factors contribute to your sucess and legacy. By the way I ain't penalizing anyone. I am giving my opinion. I never discredited Chavez, I acknowledged he is an all time great.

[Exciterx30]

The outcome of that fight would be meaningless to p4p rankings. A p4p matchup between them on the other hand would be meaningful. And p4p, Chavez beats DLH.

I don't think that makes nuch sense. You mean to tell me that even if DLH beats Chavez in his prime, Chavez would still be better than DLH?

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When DLH made Chavez come up to 147 for their second bout, (keep in mind Chavez was WELL PASSED HIS PRIME) He connected repeatedly on Oscar, but he didnt have the same stamina, speed (believe it or no chavez wasnt exactly slow), movement, or drive, he had in his prime. Yet it was a comptetitive fight till Chavez quit in the 8th round. Oscar's eye was pretty swolled up.


At 140lbs the Chavez that ruined Taylor would have stopped Oscar, Chavez simply had more experience, one of the most technically sound fighters ever, the stronger wiskers, incredible work rate regarless of the offense his opponent would dish out, Could take almost anything without showing any real damage (swelling, cuts). I think prime chavez at 140lbs, beats Oscar into submission, repeated left hooks to the body, and punches to the face, by the 10th Oscar is ready to go.

[Exciterx30]

When DLH made Chavez come up to 147 for their second bout, (keep in mind Chavez was WELL PASSED HIS PRIME) He connected repeatedly on Oscar, but he didnt have the same stamina, speed (believe it or no chavez wasnt exactly slow), movement, or drive, he had in his prime. Yet it was a comptetitive fight till Chavez quit in the 8th round. Oscar's eye was pretty swolled up.


At 140lbs the Chavez that ruined Taylor would have stopped Oscar, Chavez simply had more experience, one of the most technically sound fighters ever, the stronger wiskers, incredible work rate regarless of the offense his opponent would dish out, Could take almost anything without showing any real damage (swelling, cuts). I think prime chavez at 140lbs, beats Oscar into submission, repeated left hooks to the body, and punches to the face, by the 10th Oscar is ready to go.

I respect the fact that you explain why you think Chavez would take DLH at 140. I just think that DLH's movement and jab would be enough to get a points win over Chavez. I know Taylor was a mover but DLH was very strong at 140 while Meldrick was feather fisted like Corey Spinks.

[MexicanBoxer]

wasn't it a left hook 2 the body that KO'd DLH..........And isn't cHAVEZ considered as one of the greatest body punchers?

[Exciterx30]

wasn't it a left hook 2 the body that KO'd DLH..........And isn't cHAVEZ considered as one of the greatest body punchers?

I would have to say that the rumor is almost a fact. DLH took a dive there. Anyways, yes Chavez was a terrific body puncher but a punch from Hopkins is much harder.

[MexicanBoxer]

P4p Chavez is greater period.

[{BrownBomber}]

Everyone always mentions Chavez as one of the greatest fighters of all time and indeed he was. However, there were some things that, in my opinion, he lacked. He was not that fast, his Ko's were accumulation of punishment. Not actually a one punch destroyer. Also I think he was never unbeatable. Just that he had a big heart and iron will determination and this helped him to overcome tough opponents who could have beaten him.

On the other hand, DLH(in the early days and up to welter) had great footwork and his combinations were very fast. He also had a good left hook and a terrific jab. The con is that he probably was not half as brave as Chavez.

All in all. I say DLH would rank higher. My opinion.

I think he said P4P FIGHTER not puncher or see who lacked this and that.Its everything that has to do with being a fighter and P4P Chaves by a mile.

[MexicanBoxer]

chavez would break down Dlh remember in there matchups when chavez was mixing it up, he always came out on top but Dlh wa young quicker and better at the time. wait your talkin about p4p well p4p Chavez was a better body puncher.