A good read on ROCKY MARCIANO's punching power.

[Abe Attell]

Did you read the qoutes? man he made these fighters bones rattle hahaha, Rocky would be a great fight against tyson he would beat tyson cause he had better stamina and rocky had ton more heart too.

Rocky feared no one in that ring! I believe Ali could have outboxed him but one punch would lay anyone out you would have to do alot of running.

Not this **** again, lol...

I like Rocky, and I am not one to always mention size because sometimes it can be the most overrated thing, but Tyson was bigger, stronger, faster, more accurate with his punches, just basically a better fighter all around, at least in his prime.

There was a good article on another webiste that had Dempsey vs Marciano, why Dempsey would win...it was pretty convincing...I expect the same for Tyson.

Lets not forget that Walcott was giving Marciano all that he could handle in the first fight, and Walcott was absorbing Marciano's punches, many landing flush from about the 6th round on.

I don't think Tyson would of took that long in beating a faded, balding, Joe Louis either.

Roland LaStarza also gave him trouble in the first fight...some even believe Rocky lost that fight.

Rocky fought a lot of fighters that though are "Great" fighters, are really light-heavyweights, at the most cruiserweights. you could also use that old argument that they used even around his time, that he was fighting "older" fighters.
Lets just say that a lot of these fighters took more poundings than Paris Hilton's vagina

I am not bashing him at all, just stating a few things to those that want to make everybody that is undefeated like they are some type of God.

Ask yourself this, if Maricano fought Louis in his prime, Ali, Dempsey, Foreman, Tyson, etc. would he still be undefeated?

and yes, the same goes for Tyson

[Abe Attell]

Did you read the qoutes? man he made these fighters bones rattle hahaha, Rocky would be a great fight against tyson he would beat tyson cause he had better stamina and rocky had ton more heart too.

Rocky feared no one in that ring! I believe Ali could have outboxed him but one punch would lay anyone out you would have to do alot of running.

Yes, because all the Rock had to do is land one punch and it would bring down a building...

Ali, man this guy would get knocked out if Rocky landed one of his "Suzie Q's"

Ali fought Shavers, Frazier and Foreman, yet he managed not to get knocked out...hell, when Ali had parkinsons and fought Larry Holmes, Larry couldn't knock him to the ground.


Its OK though, when I was young I had my illusions about certain fighters...its a great thing to have and a sad thing to lose, so maybe you should just block out what I say

[Abe Attell]

^don't count the rock out! Tyson in his prime intimidated opponents! tyson weigh like 220 pounds back then! most of tysons opponents didnt have to courage to not freeze up and slug with him, when someone wasnt scared of tyson he lost! Buster douglas,evander,and danny williams. Evander was not the most powerful puncher he was a small heavy and he had all upper body and chicken legs imagine Tyson vs Tua that would be the closest we could hope for.

lol, this **** keeps getting repeated...I guess for the first 37 fights or so that nobody threw a punch at Tyson

Trevor Berbick, though looking scared, even came out swining until his ass got caught.

How about Razor Ruddock?

Seriously, I made a "New Topic" on this before, Tyson's skills are what people feared more than his stare...when you have a guy that is 220lbs with speed, power, accuracy, and a killer determination to "F" you up, you are going to be scared.

Remember, even if Tyson did scare the **** out of people, have we forgotten that the PSYCHOLOGICAL BATTLE IS A BIG PART OF WARFARE...Tyson said it himself, the better fighter is the one that can keep his "Composure"



If I am going to go up against a Siberian Tiger I am going to be scared...I don't care how big my balls are, I know that Tiger is bigger, stronger, faster, more accurate, big ass fangs, and those eyes tell me that he hasn't been fed in days

[Abe Attell]

Marciano had something he had MENTAL and physical toughness ala Marvin Hagler! He had that hunger till the end. Marciano fought like Buster douglas when he beat tyson except Rocky fought like that every right. Joe louis said marciano was the hardest hitter he ever faced, remember also marciano has some heavy hands and big bones Mike tyson has smaller wrists smaller frame and alot of muscle packed on it. Like I said this is a slugfest and this fight can go either way.

I feel like "Mr. Clean"

Was that a "trained and motivated" Tyson that fought Buster?
Did Tyson have Kevin Rooney there?

Tyson was smaller framed?

Rocky Marciano:.......................Mike Tyson:

Height: 5'10 1/4.......................5'11 1/2
Weight: 184.............................218
Reach: 68...............................71
Chest/Norm: 39.........................43
Chest/Exp: 42...........................45
Waist: 32...............................34
Biceps: 14..............................16
Neck: 16 3/4............................19 3/4
Wrist: 7 1/2............................8
Calf: 14 3/4............................18
Ankle: 10...............................11
Thigh: 22...............................27
Fist: 11 1/2............................13
Forearm: 12.............................14

http://www.ibhof.com/ibhftape.htm

I don't have any Lab tests on either of them so I can't tell you how high their horomone count is/was







Rocky was one tough S.O.B. but every fighter has their faults, it's called being human

[Abe Attell]

How about Holyfield? He handled Tyson and hes not exactly a superheavyweight; all it took was some skill and determination. I think the Rock was every bit Evander's equal in each each of those things except Rock hit a hell of a lot harder. The Rock would crush Mike's body and spirit.

Well I guess if you count a man that hasn't trained since he left Rooney, spent some time in jail, didn't get back on track, yeah, I say that was a fair fight



How do you know Rock hit harder than Holyfield?

How long did it take again to knock out Walcott, Charles, LaStarza, etc.?


When I was a kid I used to think all that Rocky and Tyson had to do was hit you once and you would fall, but guess what, I grew up and watched fights and I found it wasn't true.

A lot more people held Tyson than they did Marciano, just another quick little fact

[Abe Attell]

the initial post was a good read.

but, what i find funny is how some people, like teddy atlas, go on about how punchers are born and not made. i would call that nothing more than pure b#ll****. i happen to know a few people who happened to develope a powerful punch, and were not naturally born with the "gift" of heavy hands. hell, even jack dempsey himself dedicates a whole chapter to this myth. just wait 'till tszyu divulges some of his "secrets" when he officially retires. and the answers might surprise you.

you can build power...the key is to reach your full potential

Lets not get way to ahead of ourselves though...I don't care how much Tszyu has worked on his "Power", he hasn't seemed to develop that power on the level of Foreman's has he

There is a good portion of it that has to do with GENETICS, the other part is hard work/devoloping your "gift"

Next thing you are going to tell me is that you will be able to run like Bo Jackson, all you need to do is to know the "secrets."
Well here is the secret, he is BO Jackson and you are not

[Abe Attell]

for 1 thing..during marciano times...those werent really boxing gloves..but like paded mits...imaging TUA PETER L.LEWIS TYSON KLITCHKOS hitting somebody with 1 of those damn mits..it would be alot of casaulities in boxing

I am not sure on the exact facts, but I think they were 8 oz, and padded with horse hair.

If you take that into the equation then you have to give a lot of these guys credit for taking the punishment

[Abe Attell]

Ali was really a very weak puncher for a man of his size. He really was quite a huge guy if you ever look at his stats.

He has a lot of knockouts though for a guy with a "weak punch"

He isn't a powerfull puncher, but the guy has some type of punch...you also have to remember that he displayed better power when he sat on his punches, rather than just throwing it on the move...Floyd Mayweather Jr. displays good, not great, power when he decides to sit on his punches.

Ali wasn't "Weak" either...the guy might not have had a big punch, but he was able to push back Frazier, Shavers, and Foreman, who were supposedly "Stronger."
I bet Larry Allen (NFL) is stronger than Foreman in lifting, but he can't punch like Foreman

[Abe Attell]

I think Ali's dancing is overrated. In most of quality wins he did very little dancing. I think he was a very good defensive fighter more than a dancer. This is my opinion though that his wins over Sonny Liston are disgustingly overrated. As I believe liston is disugtingly overrated, as mainly a means of propping up Ali's legacy. A man who got more gift decscions and positive press coverage than any other fighter in history. He should of lost to an array of fighters who you might consider as somewhat mediocre. The win over Foreman as I state in my undying thread in boxing history in the only thing cementing what is his "legacy." His "legacy" besides the drama for the Frazier fights and victory over Foreman is ****.

Mostly consisting of running his mouth over black pantheresque views.

WOW, that is all I am going to say

[Abe Attell]

true. but he wasnt built like a power puncher he didnt have the powerful shoulders that most power punches have. But he wasnt slow like a man his size either! very light on his feet for a man his size so he made up for it in his agility.

Have you ever really looked at Ali's wing span...his shoulders are quite broad...his chest measurements are pretty impressive too...They say when Sonny Liston, and even Foreman got into the ring with Ali that they realized that Ali wasn't as "Small"...Ali actually looked like the bigger man, but it is this perception that your "Power punch" is what makes you Godzilla