Roy Jones Jr Int 2001 (a lot of lies, purposely doesnt mention Hopkins/Michalczewski)

[MrUnstoppable]

Juy, you clearly don't have the evidence to back up the argument you are trying other than what you manipulate through your own opinion. You can't point out any lies, all you are pointing out is what is your opinion of what is a lie. The point you are trying to make is that Roy ducked anyone with a pulse yet you have yet to show any concrete evidence of where Roy does so. You have other fighters claiming that he wouldn't fight them but how do you know what really went on. It's real easy to be a bad ass in the past tense. Some of these guys didn't want to come to the USA. Some wanted more than what they deserved of the purse. All of your "evidence" is all opinion or heresay and contains no fact whatsoever. My advice to you is to get a more of a lucrative hobby based on fact and not propaganda. I enjoy reading the interviews but I could do without the purpose. At this point, what does it matter?

I see you have an agenda on this board with Roy. I guess he peed in your Fruit Loops or something.

[snap the jab]

I don't think that it's possible to say that Jones was anything except one of the all-time great fighters, but I still don't fully understand why he never fought Michalczewski - i don't know if he didn't want to fight M. or if M. didn't want to fight him or what, but looking at their records it seems like at some point the fans and promoters would have forced the two guys to fight...

[JUYJUY]

When Roy Jones Jr moved upto 168, Eubank was undefeated World Champion. When Roy Jones Jr moved upto 175, Michalczewski was undefeated World Champion. Jones Jr fought neither. Why? When Roy Jones Jr moved upto 168, Benn was WBC champion at 168 asking for a fight with Jones Jr in America. Jones Jr wouldn't fight Benn. Why? Collins sent Eubank and Benn into retirement, Jones Jr wouldn't fight Collins. Why? Michael Nunn was dominating Toney even more so than Jones Jr was, Nunn was Jones Jr's mandatory in the late 1990's, Jones Jr wouldn't fight Nunn. Why? Frankie Liles was WBA champion at 168 while Jones Jr was IBF champion at 168, Liles beat Jones Jr as an amateur so Jones Jr stayed away. Correct? If not then why not. Gerald McClellan was WBC champion at 160 while Jones Jr was IBF champion at 160, McClellan beat Jones Jr as an amateur so Jones Jr stayed away. Correct? If not then why not. Roy Jones Jr clearly states that he plans on fighting Joe Calzaghe in 2001, right? Roy Jones Jr clearly states that he will never fight Joe Calzaghe in 2002, right? Explain that away, please.

Benn, Eubank and Collins were top-three fighters in Jones Jr's division in 1995 and 1996, correct? Jones Jr didn't fight any of them. Byrd, Thornton and Lucas weren't even ranked in the top 10 in Jones Jr's division in 1995 and 1996, correct? Jones Jr sparred with those mediocre opponents and people were saying that he was invincible, correct? Man, how can you defend this guy?!

McClellan was ranked as the number one 160 fighter in the world when Jones Jr was at that weight, Jones Jr was ranked number two behind McClellan, right? He didn't fight him. Michalczewski was ranked as the number one 175 fighter in the world when Jones Jr moved up to that weight, correct? Jones Jr never fought him, correct? Man, it just gets ridiculous. This guy Jones Jr was a businessman, a very smart businessman who picked his opponents very carefully. But I'm no gullable kid, nobodies fooling me. Beating up guys like Richard Hall (the Nigel Benn wannabe!), and people saying that your better than Sugar Ray Robinson? Now that's crazy! Right?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Liles beat Jones Jr as an amateur so Jones Jr stayed away.

You have to be put on ignore, son. This was just ******. Liles had a victory of Jones in the amatuers, but Jones beat Liles more. You obviously hate Roy and your incredible bias and distatseful posts are going to have to be dealt with. Ignore here we come.

[MrUnstoppable]

You obviously have a problem with letting your hatred for Roy get in the way of reality.

You keep talking about a bunch of foreigners who got their asses kicked when they came to the US. Heck, we even sent a Mexican (whom Jones dominated) over to take out your boy Darius. Roy is obviously the name draw here since everyone seems to be talking about missing out on the chance to fight him. So with him being the draw he should have the advantage in money and negotiations. And after the Olympics and the money in America, there is no reason for Roy to fight outside of the US. But you overlook that point to try and fight a dead argument over and over again.

You wanna break it down? Fine, I'll break it down. Ya must've forgot...

Chris Eubank...never brought his punk ass to America after '87. From '94-98 he won 4 and lost 5. Lost twice to Collins. In the meantime Roy beat Toney, Pazienza, Sosa, McCallum and Hill. And you honestly think he would have beaten Roy during that time?

Steve Collins...lost to McCallum (whom Roy swept on the cards), lost to Reggie Johnson (whom Roy destroyed) in '92 and never brought his punk ass back to the US of A. Roy dominated two guys who beat him. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Nigel Benn...lost to Malinga whom Roy beat, lost once and drew with Eubank and lost twice to Collins listed above, fought a very dirty fight against McClellan and should have been knocked out if it weren't for homecooking on his home turf. Never fought in the US after '90. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Michael Nunn...got knocked out by James Toney (whom Roy beat), lost to Liles, when he was a mandatory, he lost to the infamous Rocchigiani for the interim WBC belt. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Joe Calzaghe...you ever seen him make an effort to move up to light heavy? Do you see him ever bringing his punk ass to the US? Talk about someone who likes to duck. This is the poster boy. Who has he beaten that was worth a damn? And you honestly thing he would have beaten Roy during this time?

You are the one who isn't fooling anyone with your propaganda. Let it go. Jones is the fighter of that era regardless of how you like to look at it. No one can match his accomplishments during that time. Winning titles in four weight classes is an accomplishment that can only be matched by the best. You better think of a new topic of discussion before your jealousy eats you alive.

[Tarver is my dad]

You obviously have a problem with letting your hatred for Roy get in the way of reality.

You keep talking about a bunch of foreigners who got their asses kicked when they came to the US. Heck, we even sent a Mexican (whom Jones dominated) over to take out your boy Darius. Roy is obviously the name draw here since everyone seems to be talking about missing out on the chance to fight him. So with him being the draw he should have the advantage in money and negotiations. And after the Olympics and the money in America, there is no reason for Roy to fight outside of the US. But you overlook that point to try and fight a dead argument over and over again.

You wanna break it down? Fine, I'll break it down. Ya must've forgot...

Chris Eubank...never brought his punk ass to America after '87. From '94-98 he won 4 and lost 5. Lost twice to Collins. In the meantime Roy beat Toney, Pazienza, Sosa, McCallum and Hill. And you honestly think he would have beaten Roy during that time?

Steve Collins...lost to McCallum (whom Roy swept on the cards), lost to Reggie Johnson (whom Roy destroyed) in '92 and never brought his punk ass back to the US of A. Roy dominated two guys who beat him. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Nigel Benn...lost to Malinga whom Roy beat, lost once and drew with Eubank and lost twice to Collins listed above, fought a very dirty fight against McClellan and should have been knocked out if it weren't for homecooking on his home turf. Never fought in the US after '90. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Michael Nunn...got knocked out by James Toney (whom Roy beat), lost to Liles, when he was a mandatory, he lost to the infamous Rocchigiani for the interim WBC belt. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Joe Calzaghe...you ever seen him make an effort to move up to light heavy? Do you see him ever bringing his punk ass to the US? Talk about someone who likes to duck. This is the poster boy. Who has he beaten that was worth a damn? And you honestly thing he would have beaten Roy during this time?

You are the one who isn't fooling anyone with your propaganda. Let it go. Jones is the fighter of that era regardless of how you like to look at it. No one can match his accomplishments during that time. Winning titles in four weight classes is an accomplishment that can only be matched by the best. You better think of a new topic of discussion before your jealousy eats you alive.

I cannot agree with you more.

[JUYJUY]

You obviously have a problem with letting your hatred for Roy get in the way of reality.

You keep talking about a bunch of foreigners who got their asses kicked when they came to the US. Heck, we even sent a Mexican (whom Jones dominated) over to take out your boy Darius. Roy is obviously the name draw here since everyone seems to be talking about missing out on the chance to fight him. So with him being the draw he should have the advantage in money and negotiations. And after the Olympics and the money in America, there is no reason for Roy to fight outside of the US. But you overlook that point to try and fight a dead argument over and over again.

You wanna break it down? Fine, I'll break it down. Ya must've forgot...

Chris Eubank...never brought his punk ass to America after '87. From '94-98 he won 4 and lost 5. Lost twice to Collins. In the meantime Roy beat Toney, Pazienza, Sosa, McCallum and Hill. And you honestly think he would have beaten Roy during that time?

Steve Collins...lost to McCallum (whom Roy swept on the cards), lost to Reggie Johnson (whom Roy destroyed) in '92 and never brought his punk ass back to the US of A. Roy dominated two guys who beat him. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Nigel Benn...lost to Malinga whom Roy beat, lost once and drew with Eubank and lost twice to Collins listed above, fought a very dirty fight against McClellan and should have been knocked out if it weren't for homecooking on his home turf. Never fought in the US after '90. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Michael Nunn...got knocked out by James Toney (whom Roy beat), lost to Liles, when he was a mandatory, he lost to the infamous Rocchigiani for the interim WBC belt. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Joe Calzaghe...you ever seen him make an effort to move up to light heavy? Do you see him ever bringing his punk ass to the US? Talk about someone who likes to duck. This is the poster boy. Who has he beaten that was worth a damn? And you honestly thing he would have beaten Roy during this time?

You are the one who isn't fooling anyone with your propaganda. Let it go. Jones is the fighter of that era regardless of how you like to look at it. No one can match his accomplishments during that time. Winning titles in four weight classes is an accomplishment that can only be matched by the best. You better think of a new topic of discussion before your jealousy eats you alive.

Very clever. But I'm glad I quoted you here because you either have very little knowledge of boxing or deserve to be banned for all the bull****ting (or both).

Chris Eubank...never brought his punk ass to America after '87. From '94-98 he won 4 and lost 5. Lost twice to Collins. In the meantime Roy beat Toney, Pazienza, Sosa, McCallum and Hill. And you honestly think he would have beaten Roy during that time?

Chris Eubank wanted to fight Roy Jones and Toney in 1995 and 1996 in America but neither of them would fight him because they knew they would lose. Eubank was UNDEFEATED in 45 fights until September 95 and then he retired (came back in Oct 97-Jul 98 a shadow of his former self, losing narrowly to Calzaghe for vacant title with only a weeks notice and then robbed twice against World Champ Carl Thompson at Cruiserweight), so I don't know where you get that '94-98 stat from. It is bull****. Eubank was defeating the likes of 35-0-0 Rocchigiani in GERMANY, dominating European champs Close and Wharton, and scoring KO1's against just as good opposition as Jones Jr was fighting - during that time.
Eubank quote in 1996: "I will never be able to beat Steve Collins, the first time that I ever went out to hurt my opponent - I lost. I had never lost previously because I had never set out to hurt my opponent previously. But Collins made it personal. I would never be able to go out there and not set out to hurt him, that is why I will never be able to beat him. He's not fit enough to tie my laces, no talent. But I must prove that I am still 'Simply The Best', I always claimed to be the best fighter in the world and I maintain that. Roy Jones and James Toney are strictly obstacles that I must get past in order to enhance my standard of living, the fights will take place in their backyards and I will knock them both out. My legs are not what they were, and I'll find it difficult to last 12 rounds now, especially at a higher weight. So I will go for the big KO. I respect Roy Jones, he's good at what he does, but when we fight that respect will go out of the window and he will go down." How do you explain that away? Why didn't Jones Jr fight him eh?

Steve Collins...lost to McCallum (whom Roy swept on the cards), lost to Reggie Johnson (whom Roy destroyed) in '92 and never brought his punk ass back to the US of A. Roy dominated two guys who beat him. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Anybody with a grain of sense knows that Collins was just a journeyman boxer from 86-94, he wasn't a bruiser back then just a boxer. Jones Jr would of destroyed that early 90's version of Collins. But then Collins came to the UK in the mid-90's and gained a new lease of life, like a man posessed, he hired a psychologist, hired a nutritionsist, starting using weights, moved up a weight division, improved his ability significantly from 93-95, started working with Freddie Roach, grew a goatee beard, and then called himself 'The Celtic Warrior'. He also dramatically changed his style from boxer-puncher into a marauding slugger, he was a competent boxer before but he was now an all-out slugger and a marauding warrior! THAT Collins was a world-beater, and would of defeated Jones Jr. Collins was a man of a mission at the time, sending both Benn and Eubank into retirement then travelling to Pensacola asking Jones Jr for a unification clash. But Jones Jr avoided him. Correct? Yes, thank you.
Jones Jr fought a 40-year-old McCallum and was clearly struggling at times with the old man. So in his prime, McCallum would of chopped Jones Jr down like a tree and swept him away. Reggie Johnson was never near as competent as Benn and Eubank, everybody knows that, and he was about 40 years old anyway when Jones Jr fought him. Jones Jr should be ashamed of himself. As the highly-knowledgeable Freddie Roach has said, if you go on common opponents then Collins has the advantage over Jones Jr. A Pre-Prime Collins narrowly lost to a Prime McCallum and a Prime Johnson in the early 90's. A Prime Jones Jr narrowly defeated a Post-Prime McCallum and a Post-Prime Johnson in the late 90's. To this day, Freddie Roach believes that Collins would of beaten Jones Jr, and who are you to argue with the legendary trainer?

Nigel Benn...lost to Malinga whom Roy beat, lost once and drew with Eubank and lost twice to Collins listed above, fought a very dirty fight against McClellan and should have been knocked out if it weren't for homecooking on his home turf. Never fought in the US after '90. And you honestly think he would have beaten Jones during this time?

Anybody with a grain of sense knows that Benn was finished Post-McClellan - he had a shadow on the brain and was clearly a shadow of his former self. Benn would of been destroyed by Jones Jr had he defeated Malinga in 1996. But Benn offered Jones Jr a shot at his WBC title in 1993 and Jones Jr turned it down! Then, in 1995, having defeated the #2 lb4lb fighter in the world behind Jones Jr (McClellan) fair and square, Benn yet again offered Jones Jr a shot at his WBC title in America in a WBC/IBF unification clash. Benn had made 10 defences of his WBC crown at the time, and Benn hadn't lost for 5 years (since losing his World Middleweight title to Eubank in 1990). No excuses man, Jones Jr avoided him. Right?

[Shaolin Bushido]

I'm glad I quoted you here, because you obviously have NO knowledge of boxing and deserve to be banned for all the bull****.


Chris Eubank wanted to fight Roy Jones and Toney in 1995 and 1996 in America but neither of them would fight because they knew that they would lose. Eubank was UNDEFEATED in 45 fights until September 95 and then he retired (came back in Oct 97-Jul 98 a shadow of his former self, losing narrowly to Calzaghe for vacant title with only a weeks notice and then robbed twice against World Champ Carl Thompson at Cruiser), so I don't know where you get that '94-98 stat from. It is bull****. Eubank was defeating the likes of Rocchigiani in GERMANY, dominating European champs Close and Wharton, and scoring KO1's against just as good opposition as Jones Jr was fighting - during that time.
Eubank quote in 1996: "I will never be able to beat Steve Collins, the first time I went out to hurt my opponent I lost. I would never be able to go out there and not set out to hurt him, that is why I will never be able to beat him. He's not fit enough to tie my laces, no talent. But I must prove that I am still 'Simply The Best', I always claimed to be the best fighter in the world and I maintain that. Roy Jones and James Toney are strictly obstacles that I must get past in order to enhance my standard of living, the fights will take place in their backyards and I will knock them both out. My legs are not what they were, and I'll find it difficult to last 12 rounds now, especially at a higher weight. So I will go for the big KO's. I respect Roy Jones, but when we fight that respect will go out of the window and he will go down." How do you explain that?? Why didn't Jones Jr fight him?


Anybody with a grain of sense knows that Collins was nothing more than a journeyman boxer from 86-94, and Jones Jr would of destroyed that version of Collins. But then Collins came back to the UK and gained a new lease of life, like a man posessed, he hired a psychologist, hired a nutritionsist, starting using weights, moved up a weight division, grew a goatee beard, and called himself 'The Celtic Warrior'. He also dramatically changed his style from boxer-puncher into a marauding slugger, a marauding warrior! THAT Collins was a world-beater, and would of defeated Jones Jr. Collins was a man of a mission at the time, travelling to Pensacola and asking Jones Jr for a unification clash, but Jones Jr avoided him. Jones Jr fought a 40-year-old McCallum and STRUGGLED!! In his prime, McCallum would chopped Jones Jr down like a tree and swept him away. Reggie Johnson was nowhere near as competent as Benn and Eubank, everybody knows that, and he was about 40 years old when Jones Jr fought him! Jones Jr should be ashamed of himself. As the highly-knowledgeable Freddie Roach has said, if you go on common opponents then Collins has the advantage over Jones Jr. A Pre-Prime Collins narrowly lost to a Prime McCallum and a Prime Johnson in the early 90's. A Prime Jones Jr narrowly defeated a Post-Prime McCallum and a Post-Prime Johnson in the late 90's. To this day, Freddie Roach believes that Collins would of beaten Jones Jr, and who are you to argue with the legendary trainer?


Anybody with a grain of sense knows that Benn was completely finished Post-McClellan - he had a shadow on the brain and was clearly a shadow of his former self. Benn would of been destroyed by Jones Jr had he defeated Malinga in 1996. But Benn offered Jones Jr a shot at his WBC title in 1993 and Jones Jr turned it down! Then, in 1995, having defeated the #2 lb4lb fighter in the world behind Jones Jr (McClellan) fair and square, Benn yet again offered Jones Jr a shot at his WBC title in America in a WBC/IBF unification clash. Benn had made 10 defences of his WBC crown at the time, Benn hadn't lost for 5 years. No excuses.

You may not agree with this guy but there's no denying his boxing knowledge.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Mr Unstoppable is just as knowledgeable so have at it, guys.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Let's see if I can mix it up a bit!... LOL!...











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