do you think these guys were faking it?

[mellow_mood]

minte 0:46

[deuce_drop]

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation.

[KickAzz]

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation.

does that really matter? AA disqualified himself.

[SplitSecond]

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation.

cole said, im getting the doctor, doctor up here, and he had started to move a little before that
the ref didn't say anything about DQ until he got up and walked over to the side of the ring closest to the judges

i just watched it

[jameshepenstall]

post up some delayed reaction ko's, just to show these guys that it happens in boxing

Those guys were not KO'd! Hurt bad yes but KO'd? No. I have been on the sideline as a medico at too many rugby games to mention and i have seen a lot of guys get ko'd and hurt bad to the head. Maybe its different in boxing but every single time i can think of a guy being confused like Dirrell was he recalled a period of blackout. These blackouts usually occur when someone is not just hurt to the head but the impact shakes the brain, neck and spine which causes the nausea and confusion. These blackouts are typically between 2 and 5 minutes. Short periods of unconsciousness (between 1 sec and 1 min) are caused by impact and i believe thats what happened to Dirrell. He got hit and his world decended a little bit, the clouds came in i like to say but he was not knocked unconscious and the way he was behaving was untypical and odd to me.

[Devils Advocate]

chris byrd didn't even have to sparked out to not know where he was

man i forgot how freaking funny that was, did you hear Lampley he screams BYRD what a big left hand. Chris was slobbing on himself that **** hurt he tried to take it like a man though major props, that Abraham punch didn't have nothing on that.

[Devils Advocate]

the thing i didn't like about the dirrell debacle was, it wasn't until cole said i'm calling the doctor, i'm stopping the fight did dirrell start to react and responded to what cole was saying. it was pretty fast from being completely ktfo to responsive movement. delayed reactions aside, it just seemed suspect when he's laying stiff to moving when the ref called off the fight...... im just saying, it's an observation.

I think he reacted from thinking he was about to lose by TKO, that's why he thought he lost

[Wukillabeez78]

3:03 is when it all happens
left to the body, left to the head
come on man, don't tell me you don't see that

anyway yea, that's what it's like, most guys about to pass out will put their hands to their face, like they're trying to reach for the pain deep in their head

Nice vids you posted but they don't help Dirrell's case. Yes I still believe Dirrell was faking and so do many other people, especially those with medical backgrounds. Like I said on a couple of other threads, I watched the fight with my wife (who is a doctor) and some of her colleagues (also physicians). No one is dis*****g the fact that you can get hit and have a delayed reaction and fall out unconcious. What is disputed is the way Dirrell took the hit and then started to act like he was convulsing about 10 seconds after Abraham fouled him. The doctors all agreed that if one is hit hard enough to convulse it would happen right away. If you are hit hard enough to convulse it means that your brain's activity has been interrupted and the brain is no longer in control of your limbs/bodily functions. Again, this happens immediately. During these convulsions you can piss on yourself, drool, defecate, etc... because the brain isn't in control of the bodily functions. This is considered to be significant head trauma as opposed to most knockouts in which the brain is still functioning and the equilibrium (balance of the person is just affected). After being hit Dirrell didn't start to convulse right away and during this time he was moving his limbs himself as well as talking and grimacing because of the pain he felt. If you get hit hard enough to convulse you aren't able to talk, move your limbs on your own, etc... You don't feel the pain from the blow either until you've stopped convulsing. Dirrell might have been hurt and even stunned from the blow from Abraham but he was acting when he started to shake his body 8-10 seconds after the blow. That kind of delay isn't medically possible. He would have started to convulse immediately if the punch had ****ed him up that badly.

Dirrell boxed a great fight but was getting tired (as he has shown a propensity to do in many of his fights), was intentionally fouled by Abraham and knew if he acted like the blow had really hurt he would win on the DQ. The plan worked perfectly except for the fact that he over did it by pretending to convulse. He can fool you gullible guys up here who aren't aware of how the body functions or who just don't want to believe a fighter would do that but he can't fool anybody who knows anything about how the body functions.