Respectable fighters vs Trash talkers!

**Slipx** · 05-30-2005, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by martinwbc

Then you get the trash talkers... Like James Toney - enough said! Tarver was pretty bad for a while, and Floyd Mayweather isn't winning himself any fans nowadays. They're rude and say very offending stuff to opponents.

trash talking is good for boxing though,it sparks interest in fights,makes the press conferences tv-worthy,plus makes the trash talker better off(king knows toney pulls crowds with his **** talking)

**Run** · 05-30-2005, 01:18 PM

You have to understand something Martin.

Toney has a big mouth. He is a microcosm of U.S.A. citizens because of his brash nature. He is not afraid to speak his mind....despite pissing people off. He is a hero to many people for what he said about ESPN, as well as his antics toward John Ruiz. Most of the fighters that "seem respectable" are only doing so to look accordingly to the public.

Muhammad Ali was the biggest trash talker of all time...he went beyond conventional boundaries and spoke out against the vietnam war...which was extremely controversial at the time. Either way you look at it

its a cultural difference. There are people here who love Mike Tyson despite what he has said; and how he as acted towards the general media. If you lived here in the States, you would know exactly what I mean.

I personally though....Like Kostya's respectful displays over ones that are brash. And that is just my opinion.

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**BrooklynBomber** · 05-30-2005, 01:23 PM

I dont know. Trash talkers never sparked an interest in me. So I am going with respectful guys Like Tszyu and Hatton.

**Martin (Top Knowledge)** · 05-30-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by RunWithKnives

You have to understand something Martin.

Toney has a big mouth. He is a microcosm of U.S.A. citizens because of his brash nature. He is not afraid to speak his mind....despite pissing people off. He is a hero to many people for what he said about ESPN, as well as his antics toward John Ruiz. Most of the fighters that "seem respectable" are only doing so to look accordingly to the public.

Muhammad Ali was the biggest trash talker of all time...he went beyond conventional boundaries and spoke out against the vietnam war...which was extremely controversial at the time. Either way you look at it

its a cultural difference. There are people here who love Mike Tyson despite what he has said; and how he as acted towards the general media. If you lived here in the States, you would know exactly what I mean.

I personally though....Like Kostya's respectful displays over ones that are brash. And that is just my opinion.

I wasn't having a dig at Americans by picking three Americans that were trash talkers... I just looked down the P4P list top 20 and those are the names I came up with.

I don't want this thread to be another "America this, and America that thread"... There are fighters all over the World that trash talk... Some from the UK.

The questions is more:

Which approach is better? I ask Because the Tszyu's/Hattons/Gatti's sell out 20,000+ everytime they fight, where as some of the trash talkers, (Like Floyd Mayweather) was only able to sell 2,000-3,000 seats in his last outing?

Mind you, Mike Tyson has done very well in the past by playing the bad guy.

So which approach is better? Trash talking or respectable boxer?

**Run** · 05-30-2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by martinwbc

I wasn't having a dig at Americans by picking three Americans that were trash talkers... I just looked down the P4P list top 20 and those are the names I came up with.

I don't want this thread to be another "America this, and America that thread"... There are fighters all over the World that trash talk... Some from the UK.

The questions is more:

no no. I realize that. The thing is...I was merely pointing out there could be cultural issues when assessing fighter's attitudes toward the general media.

Thats all. I was not trying to make this another geological strife.

I think the respectful approach is more beneficial to a boxer's fame and longevity in his/her career.

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**Truth** · 05-30-2005, 01:35 PM

I like the trash talkers but only if they back up the talk.

**jpboxer3** · 05-30-2005, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by martinwbc

I'll use the upcoming fight between Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton as an example.

Is there anything that anyone actually disslikes about either of these two fighters?... Coz' I think you'll be hard pushed to find someone that will say a bad word about either of them.

They're both honest and great to their fans, they're respectfull to their opponents, and openly admire other fighter's career acheivements. They're both an excellent role model to younger people joining the sport.

Then you get the trash talkers... Like James Toney - enough said! Tarver was pretty bad for a while, and Floyd Mayweather isn't winning himself any fans nowadays. They're rude and say very offending stuff to opponents.

They have no respect for their fellow fighters achomplishments, and call other fighters (World Champions - "BUMS").

Now I know that this is a business, and some people will play the bad guy if it's gonna sell them more tickets but I have to ask:

Which approach is better? I ask Because the Tszyu's/Hattons/Gatti's sell out 20,000+ everytime they fight, where as some of the trash talkers, (Like Floyd Mayweather) was only able to sell 2,000-3,000 seats in his last outing?

Mind you, Mike Tyson has done very well in the past by playing the bad guy.

So which approach is better? Trash talking or respectable boxer?

I like the respectable boxer more than the trash talker.I do like some trash talkers,like Mayorga.I mostly hate the arrogant(Mayweather etc.) and thuggish trash talkers(Toney).I know the trash talkers are the ones that appeal to fans more though.

I hate Jame Toney,because he never stops talking trash.After he won the title,he kept trashing and disrespecting Ruiz.That might have been the telling sign that he was juiced up,because he couldn't calm down enough to Thank Ruiz for giving him the title shot.

**The Troll** · 05-30-2005, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by martinwbc

I wasn't having a dig at Americans by picking three Americans that were trash talkers... I just looked down the P4P list top 20 and those are the names I came up with.

I don't want this thread to be another "America this, and America that thread"... There are fighters all over the World that trash talk... Some from the UK.

The questions is more:

Which approach is better? I ask Because the Tszyu's/Hattons/Gatti's sell out 20,000+ everytime they fight, where as some of the trash talkers, (Like Floyd Mayweather) was only able to sell 2,000-3,000 seats in his last outing?

Mind you, Mike Tyson has done very well in the past by playing the bad guy.

So which approach is better? Trash talking or respectable boxer?

I dont view Mike Tyson or James Toney of the kind of the kind of trash that Floyd Mayweather and others are. Tyson shows alot of class sometimes I think his whole "baddest man on the earth" thing is gimmick even though he did bite Evander's ear off. He just looses his mind and does ****** **** sometimes Tyson. Mayweather Judah Jones etc.. are just *******s to their opponents fans and everybody else and they are genuine in this. Jones maybe not as much as Judah and Mayweather.

**The Troll** · 05-30-2005, 01:38 PM

You are totally correct though that Mayweather cant sell tickets worth **** and Gatti and other class acts like Hatton Tzyu sell tickets no problemo.

Respectable fighters vs Trash talkers!