Comments Thread For: Salud: Pacquiao Wants Mayweather Jr, Then Retirement

[Jo94403]

it has to be close to the fight to get an accurate reading. how hard can that be to understand????? there is basis, the dropping of big weight and coming in almost 20 pounds heavier has been an issue with me for the past 15 years and not just from pacyow but from many other fighters as well.

i used to fight and know the game inside and out and know the capabilities of fighters. i have also been in stables with well known fighters----fighters you would know and I HAVE SEEN them taking roids and peds to get down in weight and to add weight. i have seen it with my own 2 eyes. im not just some guy thats never done anything.

the blood thing was like the excuse number 3 or 4. if that was the 1st and original excuse i would be more inclined to take his word but the way he got to that excuse is a sound base for su****ion.

this isnt a court of law brah so no hes not innocent until proven guilty. i have experience-----good experience with this and my experience has led me to my belief that hes hiding somethin and thats that.

The real question is not that Manny will not take the test. HE WILL. The only question here is WHEN. You want it close to the fight. Manny at the beginning of the negotiations said that he will do the test at the start of training camp, 30 days before the fight, AND 1 RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT! He doesn't want to do close to the fight because he feels that he gets weaken by the blood test. He had that experienced when he took it 1 day before the Morales fight. If he didn't have that experience, then maybe he would agree but he has that in back of his mind.

Again, HE HAS NEVER FAILED A DRUG TEST with all his previous test. Yes, there are other people out there who does take PED, but that doesn't mean that Manny does.

So my question to you is. What's wrong with the doing the blood test right after the fight?

[PeterinMI]

ok a boxing fan, good. Now we can talk. Had 2 make sure cuz its a waste of time trying 2 talk with the *****s on this site. Anyway, yeah Roach said he needed 10wks but he probably could have used 12wks 2 get ready 4 Floyd. The man is a technician & would pick Pacquiao apart. Manny just won't stop throwing from all those angels. He would eventually hit Floyd with something solid. B4 I commented on this article I was watching the 2nd Pacquiao vs Morales fight, Erik was the far better boxer & was tagging him, Manny just didn't stop coming. He doesn't let up. Im not comparing Morales 2 Mayweather either, 2 differet styles. Pacquiaos style would lead 2 Mayweather counter punching the **** out of him but Pacquiao is relentless. As far as the testing, Pacquiao made himself look mad suspect by not agreeing & should have agreed 2 the terms just so he can proove he's clean. Its just Floyd is a clown & they know it. He used this as a way 2 not fight him & get away with it. Its working as u can see. Manny gets all the blame 4 this fight not happening. I think that's not fair. It was 1 of the terms needed in order 4 the fight 2 take place but it also was a low blow, an insult & a ***** move on Floyds part. Every other fighter in boxing is going under the same system, why does he feel the need 2 pull this crap??? That's my problem.

Excellent points both of you. Regardless of who we think is at fault I think in order to make this fight work the following needs to happen (regardless of if it is fair or not).
1. Random Blood tests up to 14 days out from the fight.
2. 50/50 split regardless of how much May / Mosley does in PPV.
3. Perhaps May should win on May 1st.

It might be a good idea to muzzle Arum, Roach, May Sr, Roger and that douche that is Manny's adviser.

[PeterinMI]

So my question to you is. What's wrong with the doing the blood test right after the fight?

Fair question. My feeling on this is that after the fight is after the fight. A boxer puts his life on the line in the ring. In my view they have a right to ask for testing related to fairness before the fight. After the fight does no good after the damage is done. TO me it is less about the win / loss column and more about the safety.

I don't see many coming to the issue from this angle so maybe I am off base but there it is.

[Sugar Q]

It doesn't matter if it's random or not. DO YOU GET IT???? Manny will take ANY TEST just as long as it is not close to the fight.

Has Manny given you any indication that he has been on any PED? Are you like the Mayweather's and the Malignaggi who will accuse someone that they are using PED with NO BASIS whatsoever.

Just because he doesn't want to take it so close to the fight because he feels that he gets weaken by the blood test, doesn't mean that he is guilty of using PED.

We live in America. You are innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.

Why are you hearing things no one else is hearing? I've heard Manny from his own mouth say "Floyd is not the commission" but him and his team can make a champion defend his title at a catch-wt. Manny is full of ****!!!!! That was Floyd's only clause from the very beginning. Manny said he will test 24 days before and after the fight. That **** may work in Asia but that **** doesnt work over here. Any fillipino should be offended by Manny cause he's making them look like liars and cheaters just like mexicans should be offended by Margacheato's actions. Manny is the Phillipine star and he's coming off like a lying ass cheater.

[waxfondler]

he hasnt of late i agree but are you telling me floyd wasnt beating people down early-late 90's to early 2000's?????

i somewhat agree, floyd was something totally different back then... but he was always a defensive fighter... i just want to know what happened??? i think the boxing world all agrees that everyone was backing him when he was coming up... then for some reason, he started taking it easy ever since.... thats why he gets criticized... he could have easily got a UD with oscar, but settled for a SD... he couldve KO'd hatton earlier too (his check hook finish was an example of his superb talent/finesse, not brute strength)... and we all were pretty let down that he didnt close the show with marquez.... he was more interested at peppering the slower smaller man instead of flattening him...

caution gets you nowhere (ex: klitschko. LOL)
perfect record doesnt prove anything (ex: calzaghe)

but thank god we got may 1 to look forward to... this is floyd's chance to silence everyone.

[Jo94403]

Fair question. My feeling on this is that after the fight is after the fight. A boxer puts his life on the line in the ring. In my view they have a right to ask for testing related to fairness before the fight. After the fight does no good after the damage is done. TO me it is less about the win / loss column and more about the safety.

I don't see many coming to the issue from this angle so maybe I am off base but there it is.

The argument is, that it takes so many days 2 or 3 days for "the drug" to flush out of your system. If he takes the test after the fight and comes out Negative, doesn't that also prove that he hasn't been taken any PED before the fight.

[FloydTBE]

Random blood tests is the only way may-pac is going to happen

[Sugar Q]

Excellent points both of you. Regardless of who we think is at fault I think in order to make this fight work the following needs to happen (regardless of if it is fair or not).
1. Random Blood tests up to 14 days out from the fight.
2. 50/50 split regardless of how much May / Mosley does in PPV.
3. Perhaps May should win on May 1st.

It might be a good idea to muzzle Arum, Roach, May Sr, Roger and that douche that is Manny's adviser.

That's ******ed, unfair and it's not going to happen.
1. Floyd should not accept anything less than the 3 days before the fight Manny and his team says they need to recover after blood testing. so let's say 4 days from the fight testing stops.
2. People on here can talk all the **** they want but Floyd is the biggest draw in boxing and if Manny would've fought Shane he would've ****d him financially. So now that the shoe is on the other foot Floyd should just accept 50/50? That would be a very foolish business decision. He clearly is the much bigger draw. His numbers should start at 70/30 accepting nothing less than 60/40. If PBF/Mosley does 2 mill+ 80/20.
3. I got mad love for Shane but get ready to for win #41.

[Sugar Q]

The argument is, that it takes so many days 2 or 3 days for "the drug" to flush out of your system. If he takes the test after the fight and comes out Negative, doesn't that also prove that he hasn't been taken any PED before the fight.

To a ****** person maybe but an intelligent person would do the math and see that the cycle would probably stop 3 to 7 days before the fight so that it wont show up after the fight. He needs to cycle during training that's where the magic potion is most affective and that's why Floyd said 14 days to break the cycle and not allow it time to build up in Pacroid.

[Bennett]

fact:

post fight testing does not work. look into it.