Is Peter Manfredo jr. overrated?

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

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ICE

[The Italian Stallion]

http://www.manfredojr.com/

[cybernica]

There's a big difference between calling boxers bums, chickens or worse, and analyzing their skills and whatever, in a fair and balanced way.

1. If the Mora/Manfredo fight was 10 rounds, they would have paced themselves for a 10 round fight. Which makes your argument invalid, and plain wrong. This should be obvious to anybody?
2. Your first point was invalid, therefore this does not apply.
3. Agreed
4. Moatly correct. From what I read, the Joey Gilbert fight was edited to look close. Jesse Brinkley said somewhere that Joey "got his ass handed to him".

I don't think anybody has a problem with fair critique and honest opinions, it's the childish name calling, personal insults and blatant hating of professional fighters, who have the balls to make a VERY HARD living.

I didn't call any body a BUM, Chicken, or tomato can or have I engaed in childish name calling, personal insults and the works. I call them like I see them, maybe Manfredo will polish his stuff and have the goods, but so far not impressed.

As for the fight...he was gassed out, Mora wasn't he should have paced himself. He said it himself he kept trying to land bombs and didn't stick to his game plan that was using his JAB, seven or ten rounds he should not have been out on his feet the way he was in the finally seconds didn't Cortez help him stay standing and steer him towards his corner?


I can agree to disagree, but don't lump in the "haters" category.

[PunchDrunk]

I didn't call any body a BUM, Chicken, or tomato can or have I engaed in childish name calling, personal insults and the works. I call them like I see them, maybe Manfredo will polish his stuff and have the goods, but so far not impressed.

As for the fight...he was gassed out, Mora wasn't he should have paced himself. He said it himself he kept trying to land bombs and didn't stick to his game plan that was using his JAB, seven or ten rounds he should not have been out on his feet the way he was in the finally seconds didn't Cortez help him stay standing and steer him towards his corner?


I can agree to disagree, but don't lump in the "haters" category.

Oh, I'm not lumping you in with anybody. If you follow the thread from the beginning, you'll see that people were being less than fair to Manfredo, so Iceman and I adressed that. Then you replied to that (or so it seemed), that fighters should be able to take critisism (or something to that effect), which I took for a defense of people slagging fighters, so I replied to that etc.... follow me? I think your points were all acceptable, even if I disagree with some of it. I'm don't think he's a championship caliber fighter either, but that doesn't make him bad, you know?

[cybernica]

Gottcha...he'd kick plenty of arse in the ring, just needs to work on a few things before he gets in there with the big guns. Think about Vargas and would he could have been if he hadn't been rushed into those BIG fights..

[m00ks]

Manfredo was my favorite simply because he seems down to earth, easy going and genuinely nice guy. I've seen him vs Bonsante in that 10 rounder and he does have skills not to mention it's still early in his career and has plenty of time for improvement. I don't think anybody is overating him, and people need to stop using that word. That, along with "Exposed" or "One dimensional", it's all overused.

[bfg]

Manfredo looked good...just seems like he has trouble with volume punchers...or at least thats the way it looked from the edited Contender fights....The Contender made me a big fan of Gomez though, even though he looks like he is lacking is some skill areas.

[BadMagick]

o.k his oposition.
He beat anthony bosante before the contender that's not bad.
He lost to alfonso
He had a life and death struggle with a bum called miguel espino but luckily came out on top
He then fought another fellow fighter called joey gilbert who was an lower than average fighter and luckily won a very close split decison, very contreversial.
He then had a life and death struggle with alfonso but luckily defeated him, infact if it was a 5 rounder he would of lost again because alfonso was ahead.
Then he lost to sergio mora in a quiet onesided fight (even though the rounds were close).
The guy is overatted and will never in his life become a champion, ishe smith and sergio have more of a chance.

What's bolded right there shows you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. How can you call an edited fight? He was up on all the judges score cards: ~ Time: 2:34 | 49-47 | 49-46 | 49-46 ~ Tell me, how is THAT controversial? He was up by 2 rounds on two out of three cards, and one on the other. That, sir, is NOT a controversial decision. The scores in the second fight against Alfonso: 68-65 | 67-66 | 69-64 He's fought several 10-12 round fights, and up until his loss to Alfonso, he was undefeated in them. Yeah, it wasn't great opposition, but he still beat them all.

The Mora fight he punched himself out way too fast. That's lack of conditioning, and a bad trainer. If he dumps his dad he's got a much better shot of being a champion than if he doesn't.

He's not a bad fighter, but he isn't great, either. He has a lot of skill, but he also needs a lot of improvement if he wants to compete at the top levels of the sport. The ONLY way he can make that sort of jump, is if he gets himself a new trainer.

m00ks: The Bonsante fight was 12 rounds, he won in a near whitewash. ~ 120-109 | 118-109 | 120-107~ Those were the scores. According to boxrec, it was 12. It was a championship fight, too. Well, it was for an NA belt..

Like:

1. If the Manfredo/Mora fight would have gone 10 rounds Manfredo would have probabbly tasted the canvass maybe even Koed.

2. And that had more to do with his gassing out and lack of stamina, then it did with Mora's power.

3. Manfredo didn't use his jab effectivly, and couldn't deal with Mora's jab.

4. Manfredo lost to Alfonso, who was obviously fighting at a smaller weight class, struggled with both Espino and Joey.

The question was is he overrated, well not anymore. But he was hyped up to be soemthing he is not. He has potential but his gotta work on alot of things before he becomes a real "contender".

Yeah, I agree with 3, but not 4, entirely. The second Gomez fight, and the Joey fight weren't close at all, as I posted above. This is from the judges perspective, at least, which isn't to always be agreed with, but it's really all we have to go on except an edited fight.

1 and 2 are basing it on the following, I think: that Manfredo would have fought the same way in a 10 rounder as he would have for this fight, which is just wrong. It would have been much different, and we'd have seen a different, closer fight, I think. I don't think Mora really hurt him, either. At the end, he was just dead tired, that's why he almost went down, not because of Mora's power, I don't think.

I know this has been responded to, but, this is a place for opinions, as you stated in the part I didn't quote, and I'm simply giving mine.

[m00ks]

BM

yeah I remeber that fight. Bonsante never changed, was still dirty as **** specially in the late rounds when he was gassed by the 8-9. That fight was in Peter's hometown too.

[Tiredoldngrey]

Manfredo any good?

If bum is out may I use "palooka"? And if it is impossible to see his skills in a rush job 7 rounds, can I point ouit what it was about Mora and Manfredo that implies bum-ness? How about the fact that the ridiculosly wide flat footed stances do not lend themselves to moving well, punching hard, avoiding punches or any other thing a boxer may care to do. The only punches that were not pushed were slaps. Neither has a clue how to fight inside and I failed to notice any outside wizardry. That wasn't boxing; it was a fair version of clowns fighting or the 3 stooges.