Serious question.

[TheGreat1]

Even after what happened to him against Williams?

Yes Tyson lost to williams just like Wlad lost to Brewster and sanders. Don't forget before tyson got hurt he was on the verge of a KO. Don't get me wrong through, Wlads offense is great, once Mike retires he can stand alone. If Wlad had a better chin he would be unstoppable. But you can't go topo far with a bad chin and or heart

[Neuraxis]

Yeah but I thought we were talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills here. Of course Tyson is a bigger bad ass than Wlad.

[Dr Cynical]

Yes Tyson lost to williams just like Wlad lost to Brewster and sanders. Don't forget before tyson got hurt he was on the verge of a KO. Don't get me wrong through, Wlads offense is great, once Mike retires he can stand alone. If Wlad had a better chin he would be unstoppable. But you can't go topo far with a bad chin and or heart

Excuses aside, he looked horrible against Williams.
He has no heart and his power is fading.
He has no skills to rely on so he's pretty much gone as a fighter.
Wlad is young and has skills and can still recover and go back to the top.
Tyson can't.
He should find an easier and healthier way to pay off his debts and just relax at home.

[TheGreat1]

Yeah but I thought we were talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills here. Of course Tyson is a bigger bad ass than Wlad.

My bad, i just read the 1st post, asking who was the best offensive fighter. But if you are talking about fundamentally sound offensive skills, then yes you are right, i would have to go with wlad. now if those to fought eachother i'd pick mike in a 2 rd KO

[TheGreat1]

Excuses aside, he looked horrible against Williams.
He has no heart and his power is fading.
He has no skills to rely on so he's pretty much gone as a fighter.
Wlad is young and has skills and can still recover and go back to the top.
Tyson can't.
He should find an easier and healthier way to pay off his debts and just relax at home.

don't get me wrong i dislike Mike more than Wlad, but he asked a serious question and i gave my answer, hell i could have just said Toney. because we all know his skills are unmatched, but thats as an all around fighter.

[Dr Cynical]

don't get me wrong i dislike Mike more than Wlad, but he asked a serious question and i gave my answer, hell i could have just said Toney. because we all know his skills are unmatched, but thats as an all around fighter.

I don't hate Tyson so I was just stating the facts.
I felt sad for Tyson during the Williams match.
He doesn't need to go through that **** just to pay off debts.

[TheGreat1]

I don't hate Tyson so I was just stating the facts.
I felt sad for Tyson during the Williams match.
He doesn't need to go through that **** just to pay off debts.

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?

[Dr Cynical]

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?

Williams was leaning on Tyson way too much.
He put his pressure and weight on Tyson and that probably worsened Tyson's injury.

But like I said, Tyson shouldn't have been in that ring.
His power is fading and he doesn't have the heart anymore.
I'd like to see him find a safer way to pay off the debts.

[Neuraxis]

if you saw the fight i know you saw when he started holding his knee, do you really think williams would have won, if that wouldn't happen?

Tyson was never really even hurt by Williams punches. It would have looked a lot better he given up in corner than for everyone to think that Williams KO'd him which didn't happen.

[abdiel2k3]

completly agree
ive never seen a hw throw punches like wlad
he can throwem like a good middleweight
he just really needs to learn to pace himself
only other hw i can think of that ive seen throw as many good combos with such fluidty is Ali
not to say that wlads near Ali
but just hes the closets ive seen
its funny too cuz as wlad was comin up
i invited a friend over to watch the next great hw champ
i had told him so much about wlads skillls and such
and yup u guessed it what fight was it?
Sanders
then last weekend in the oscar hopkins fight i had been tellen him about this great up and coming guy who was on the first fight of the undercards
we started alughin about what happened the last time i told him about a good fighter
just as he finishes saying
"damn what if this fool just gets knocked out cold in the first"
whammmmm
Rubio goes down on a brilliantly placed left hook
and now i have to think twice about next great fighters