Without a doubt Roach has an A Class pre-fight prep however ...

[Walterson]

anyone notice that when the initial fight plan doesn't work he's clueless from then on?

i.e

Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe - Prefight plan: to go to the body and potshot with an intent to breakdown Calzaghe and tire him out. Calzaghe didn't tire down the stretch and won by activity in the end. No B plan from Roach during the fight ..

Oscar De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather Jr - Prefight plan was to use the jab. Once Floyd disabled the jab, there was no B plan from Roach during the fight ..

Roach is one of the best trainers of the sport, but if his A-game is ineffective then during the fight he struggles to find a back up plan. I think this is most noticeable when his fighter's opponents are those that are really good at adapting. (e.g. Marquez, Calzaghe, Mayweather)

Thoughts?

[General Zod]

Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe - Prefight plan: to go to the body and potshot with an intent to breakdown Calzaghe and tire him out. Calzaghe didn't tire down the stretch and won by activity in the end. No B plan from Roach during the fight ..

I remember Roach saying to Bernard you cant win by throwing one punch at a time, he wanted Hopkins to throw combinations.

[S A M U R A I]

Thoughts?

There's only so much a trainer can do. Hopefully when a fight plan doesn't work, the fighters' instincts kick in and he can make adjustments as and when necessary.



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[Jim Tom]

I agree with you.He cant change the gameplan and if his fighter starts losing he just lets it happen

[sultanisking]

I remember Roach saying to Bernard you cant win by throwing one punch at a time, he wanted Hopkins to throw combinations.

maybe thats why bernard left roach and schooled pavlik, roach was telling him to retire...

roach is overrated on here, if the fighter doesnt have good speed he is naffed, cant see him training froch and those fighters

[-Hyperion-]

maybe thats why bernard left roach and schooled pavlik, roach was telling him to retire...

roach is overrated on here, if the fighter doesnt have good speed he is naffed, cant see him training froch and those fighters

israel vazquez left roach and beat marquez twice.....and he too was asked to retire by roach.......manny wins mostly by being a physical freak(speed-power-chin), his skill is overrated.....

[PensionKiller]

Hopkins was physically unable to do anything. Look how tired he was?

Ever boxed bro? It's a tiring thign and your punches are weak if exhausted.

As for Oscar, same thing, Oscar got tired and he couuldn't push for more rounds.

A trainer can work on a game plan, but he needs to have a 100% fit fighter.

For example if Hopkins was that tired, ****m wouldn't be able to make him any fitter to face Calzaghe.

[Walterson]

Hopkins was physically unable to do anything. Look how tired he was?

Ever boxed bro? It's a tiring thign and your punches are weak if exhausted.

As for Oscar, same thing, Oscar got tired and he couuldn't push for more rounds.

A trainer can work on a game plan, but he needs to have a 100% fit fighter.

For example if Hopkins was that tired, ****m wouldn't be able to make him any fitter to face Calzaghe.

Of course it's a tiring thing. But it all harks to your prefight prepation, agree?

It was partly the trainers role in both fights (Hopkins / Hoya) to ensure that they were in the right shape to take on the opponent in front of them (Calzaghe / Mayweather).

So to use your logic, in some way, my 'thread starting statement' is incorrect; Freddie Roach isn't as good as a trainer as he is assumed. The game plans failed in both fights, and because the trainer / boxer relied on that sole A-plan, they didn't have the physical energy to adjust to a B-plan, which was to throw more - Freddie as a trainer should have worked on physically training his boxer too, by your claim, which he failed to do.

[Sox8055]

Roach is overrated. Simply said, if you dont like it, then act like you dont, but its the truth!


Same way was with Cotto vs Pac. Now got beat at the end, but in the beggining when he was pounding Pac, Roach looked clue less and dint say much till Manny dropped him.

The only reason Roach looks like a good trainer is because he has one of the P4P Fighters in his stable.....

[Levcon8686]

There's only so much a trainer can do. Hopefully when a fight plan doesn't work, the fighters' instincts kick in and he can make adjustments as and when necessary.

This.

The two examples you gave, his fighters were against 1) Joe Calzaghe 2) Floyd Mayweather. Two great fighters who make great adjustments mid-fight. There isn't a number of magic solutions to solve each opponent. More often than not, gameplan A makes perfect sense, the fighter just isn't executing it as well as desired.

I mean what 'alternative' do you give Oscar midfight against Floyd? He told him several times to use the jab more.