Alex Ariza or Mackie Shilstone?

**Ben_London** · 03-15-2010, 08:15 PM

Shilstone, it's not even close.

**Idgas** · 03-15-2010, 08:17 PM

obviously alex ariza. he's so good people are accusing him of juicing manny!

**rao007** · 03-15-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Idgas

obviously alex ariza. he's so good people are accusing him of juicing manny!

True, true.

**Scott9945** · 03-15-2010, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Ben_London

Shilstone, it's not even close.

There is something about that guy that I don't like, but he's accomplished a hell of a lot more than Ariza at this point.

**Ben_London** · 03-15-2010, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Scott9945

There is something about that guy that I don't like, but he's accomplished a hell of a lot more than Ariza at this point.

He's a bit up himself but he's got the resume.

**I'd rather box** · 03-15-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Ben_London

Shilstone, it's not even close.

How do you know. What's your criteria to make that judgement ??

I know Shilstone has been around for awhile. But, I have this RJJ documentary and it was filmed during his training camp for his rematch with Tarver. Going by with what I saw, I don't really see Shilstone's workout routine anymore different than the others.

The thing with these strength & conditioning coaches, they more or less do the same thing, just different variations and philosophy. None of their exercises are proven fact that it'll get you an X amount of speed, or muscle, etc..

In the end, it's all theory and research. No proven facts !! If anything, these S&C coaches are great bull****ters' and great cheerleaders to get their guys through the grueling training camp. They're there for the moral support.

Lets put it this way, None of today's fighters with their legions of fitness experts could beat a prime Sugar Ray Robinson !!

It all goes back to skills/talent/desire. No S&C can put that in any fighter.

**Ben_London** · 03-15-2010, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by I'd rather box

How do you know. What's your criteria to make that judgement ??

I know Shilstone has been around for awhile. But, I have this RJJ documentary and it was filmed during his training camp for his rematch with Tarver. Going by with what I saw, I don't really see Shilstone's workout routine anymore different than the others.

The thing with these strength & conditioning coaches, they more or less do the same thing, just different variations and philosophy. None of their exercises are proven fact that it'll get you an X amount of speed, or muscle, etc..

In the end, it's all theory and research. No proven facts !! If anything, these S&C coaches are great bull****ters' and great cheerleaders to get their guys through the grueling training camp. They're there for the moral support.

I have the same documentary. His resume speaks for itself, getting Michael Spinks in shape to move and win a title at heavyweight, Roy Jones for the Ruiz fight, Hopkins for Tarver fight. Plus other athletes in many sports including Serena Williams.

**Akyra** · 03-15-2010, 08:34 PM

ariza, no doubt.

Alex Ariza or Mackie Shilstone?