Pacquiao: First 51 Fights; Struggle. Last 5 Fights; Nearly Flawless.

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  • Baracka Flocka
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    Pacquiao: First 51 Fights; Struggle. Last 5 Fights; Nearly Flawless.

    Coming from a person who has closely followed Manny Pacquiao's Career since being known as "The Destroyer". As I posted before.

    Here's something that is interesting to me.

    When pacquiao was fighting at 130 and struggling to defeat opposition there he was coming into fight night weight roughly 144-148 pds.

    Pacquiao since then has fought at 135 140 and 147 and has come in at fight night weigh again roughly 144-148 pounds.

    Pacquiao has been a drastically better fightet in his last 5 bouts than his previous 51 basically happening after the age of 30. His power and many say his speed has increase tremendously.

    Did Roach all of a sudden find a better way to teach and train Manny how to be better?

    Something is definitely different but I can't put my finger on it.
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    #2
    hes not a faster fighter, but he is much better technically, is better conditioned and he comes into fights with good game plans.

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    • hugh grant
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      Well i think Pac is fighting nearer his natural weight now and isnt starving himself. Although 147 is of course bigger than he naturally would be, he has to eat an incredible amount to stay there.
      Plus he has been with Roach for longer now, so the longer he has been with Roach the better the understanding will be. Of course other factors as well.
      But Pac always had latent potential, and Roach is one hell ofa trainer.Roach said its easy because he has the best fighter in the world.

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        Cool story bro .

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          #5
          Originally posted by Word2ThaFive
          Coming from a person who has closely followed Manny Pacquiao's Career since being known as "The Destroyer". As I posted before.

          Here's something that is interesting to me.

          When pacquiao was fighting at 130 and struggling to defeat opposition there he was coming into fight night weight roughly 144-148 pds.

          Pacquiao since then has fought at 135 140 and 147 and has come in at fight night weigh again roughly 144-148 pounds.

          Pacquiao has been a drastically better fightet in his last 5 bouts than his previous 51 basically happening after the age of 30. His power and many say his speed has increase tremendously.

          Did Roach all of a sudden find a better way to teach and train Manny how to be better?

          Something is definitely different but I can't put my finger on it.
          ever think he was draining himself at 130?

          plus your view on his first 51 fights is wrong.

          ever since landing with roach , pacquiao has struggled only 4 times.

          agapito sanchez , erik morales and 2 fights juan manuel marquez.

          agapito was hitting pacquiao in the nuts while doing his evan fields imitation.

          morales is just a superior fighter to these guys he's been fighting now.

          marquez is just pacquiao's ken norton.

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          • Baracka Flocka
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            I give Manny and Roach all the credit in the word when it comes down to un marked potentiality and what not. I also take in the factor of cutting weight.

            I just think its a little nieve to just give all the credence to those factors alone.

            Forgive my Dragonball Z methaphor but Manny went from a Krillin or Yamcha to a Super Saiyan 3 Goku in a matter of Marquez 2 to Diaz to De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto and Now Clottey.

            like I said, I'm not a bandwagon Pacquiao fan, I've seen all his fights in America and own a Copy of the "No Fear" VHS tape that was made for fans in the philipinnes.

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              Originally posted by Glock
              ever think he was draining himself at 130?

              plus your view on his first 51 fights is wrong.

              ever since landing with roach , pacquiao has struggled only 4 times.

              agapito sanchez , erik morales and 2 fights juan manuel marquez.

              agapito was hitting pacquiao in the nuts while doing his evan fields imitation.

              morales is just a superior fighter to these guys he's been fighting now.

              marquez is just pacquiao's ken norton.
              "Struggling 4 times" in the amount of fights he has been with Roach is considerable seeing that he has only last a total of 2 rounds in his last 5 fights brother.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Word2ThaFive
                I give Manny and Roach all the credit in the word when it comes down to un marked potentiality and what not. I also take in the factor of cutting weight.

                I just think its a little nieve to just give all the credence to those factors alone.

                Forgive my Dragonball Z methaphor but Manny went from a Krillin or Yamcha to a Super Saiyan 3 Goku in a matter of Marquez 2 to Diaz to De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto and Now Clottey.

                like I said, I'm not a bandwagon Pacquiao fan, I've seen all his fights in America and own a Copy of the "No Fear" VHS tape that was made for fans in the philipinnes.
                you have to factor in speed too.

                why was it that floyd was more challenged at 130-135 than he has been at 140-154?

                these cats in the higher weight class can't handle the little guy's speed.

                if you're skilled enough and good enough , the bigger guys are actually easier.

                they're too slow.

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                  Originally posted by Word2ThaFive
                  I give Manny and Roach all the credit in the word when it comes down to un marked potentiality and what not. I also take in the factor of cutting weight.

                  I just think its a little nieve to just give all the credence to those factors alone.

                  Forgive my Dragonball Z methaphor but Manny went from a Krillin or Yamcha to a Super Saiyan 3 Goku in a matter of Marquez 2 to Diaz to De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto and Now Clottey.

                  like I said, I'm not a bandwagon Pacquiao fan, I've seen all his fights in America and own a Copy of the "No Fear" VHS tape that was made for fans in the philipinnes.
                  Don't be naive yourself bro....look at his freakin' opponents. You're giving the bum too much credit. What do David Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto have in common!?!? NO MOVMENT....they're in your face and coming forward at all times....what do you have? a certified punching bag...that's why Pacquiao became a combination machine as of late....he now finally is able to use all of his power with bigger guys rather than guys who move on him like Marquez in smaller weights....think Mcfly!!!!!!!

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                  • Baracka Flocka
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Glock
                    you have to factor in speed too.

                    why was it that floyd was more challenged at 130-135 than he has been at 140-154?

                    these cats in the higher weight class can't handle the little guy's speed.

                    if you're skilled enough and good enough , the bigger guys are actually easier.

                    they're too slow.
                    You have your point on the speed factor. Maybe he just appears faster. I happen to think he is ACTUALLY faster though.

                    Also I think Floyd's best days where at 130-135. I think Floyd is way more vaunerable at 147 and higher.

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