the pacman tonight would lose to floyd

[damned1974]

You got to be kidding me. Clottey's defense is SUPERB. Dare I say better than Fraud who is more based on slipping and less on blocking. Pac will land so much more on either Fraud's head or body that he'll eventually get broken down. If you think Judah landed some decent hooks on Fraud, you can't imagine what Pac will do. The Pacman that fought tonight will DESTROY Fraud.

I have got to respectfully disagree with you.Clottey's defense was good-nothing special,but Floyd has better defense and counters out of it as well.Clottey showed me he has no will,no brains and no skill.
Ironically,Clottey had success when he opened up (which was rare) and delivered uppercuts and left hands,the problem was he didn't follow through or open up enough...like he was content just dragging out the fight.

[LilFloyd]

lol who can do great damage vs clottey when he goes into shell mode for 12 rounds.

[daggum]

floyd leaves his left hand low and uses the shoulder roll which is wide open for a straight left as we saw against judah and corley. his only defense will be if he's out of range will make him look like a runner and he will lose a wide decision if he does that. if he tries to fight manny with his gloves up well we just saw that fight. but manny is not as good as corley or judah he's just a bum.

[daggum]

I have got to respectfully disagree with you.Clottey's defense was good-nothing special,but Floyd has better defense and counters out of it as well.Clottey showed me he has no will,no brains and no skill.
Ironically,Clottey had success when he opened up (which was rare) and delivered uppercuts and left hands,the problem was he didn't follow through or open up enough...like he was content just dragging out the fight.

sounds like a certain fake retiree.

[Blubba]

he could hardly break cloteys defense how do you expect him to beat floyd who has the best defense boxing has ever seen?

the only thing pac has over floyd is speed but its useless against floyds defensive boxing.

yeah like floyd can break clottey's defence, i'd love to watch floyd pot shot clottey's double gloves for 12 rounds hahaha!

thats 8 jabs per round judging by floyds standards, 2 jabs on clotteys left glove, another 2 jabs on clotteys right glove, and the rest to clotteys lil belly button. hahaha lol! and no, those arent combinations haha

[F l i c k e r]

When Clottey covers up and doesn't fire back, nobody has a better defense than that, he simply has nothing open to be hit. Mayweathers defense doesn't even work great against southpaws.

The only real problem Mayweather now poses is his movement, and his speed.

You must be tired. Because you make less sense the more you post today. And your usually an intelligent poster but tonight you fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.


Clottey is a walking punching bag. You can't get better defense than that? Ever hear of?

NOT GETTING HIT AT ALL?

Floyd hardly ever gets hit. Pacquiao has his speed and power, sure. Yet today he looked like he never seen a defense before. He poked and prodded at Clottey's arms. When he obviously could have thrown an uppercut to get through his guard. Yet, he pitty-pats his arms, and then tries to go to the body with pop but it hits all arms. Tries to jab at the body to score points. Did we forget Floyd has this defense?

Do you see any holes to the body against that defense? Nope. Not any shots that will count. Let's not even talk about "the head is open" because Floyd is maybe second only to Pernell Whitaker in reflexes. He isn't getting hit flush in the face.

Now we turn to Pacquiao's defense tonight. He got hit cleaner than Clottey got hit all night. Sure it was only a few shots but still enough to make Pacquiao look(cosmetics) like he was the loser. Mayweather's accuracy is 100x better than Clotteys. So what does that mean about Pacquiao? If he was so easy to hit against Clottey, he will look like he is fighting under water against Mayweather.

The only chance Pacquiao has is to swing the same time Floyd does but lets face it, Floyd doesn't go on the offensive. Floyd will put Pacquiao in a position where he can't throw at the same time as Floyd. That is where Floyd will counter and then not get hit at all. In the words of ****m Richardson. "Swim without gettin wet"

Based on this fight alone. Pacquiao RIGHT NOW. Has nothing but a puncher's chance AT BEST. His only chance to beat Mayweather is to throw as many punches possible at Mayweather and hopes one lands. He isn't going to be able to box Floyd. He hasn't improved enough to do that. Tonight he looked like he never seen defense.

FLOYD HAS MADE HIS LEGACY BASED ON DEFENSE

If Mayweather was fighting Pacquiao instead of Clottey. Pacquiao would look like he went back in time and was fighting Marquez. The difference being, Pacquiao wouldn't land much of anything flush and he would have been hurt hell of alot more than JMM did to him. He would have been countered, elbowed, and clinched up most of the night. If Clottey ripped back Pacquiao's head with only those few punches. Mayweather would have done hell of alot worse. Based on right now.

Mayweather beats Pacquiao by Split Decision.

[DiLLiNGER]

floyd fights back too,unlike clottey...pacquiaos career was over after the JMM fights..he should thank ariza for the shakes he gives him.

[damned1974]

yeah like floyd can break clottey's defence, i'd love to watch floyd pot shot clottey's double gloves for 12 rounds hahaha!

thats 8 jabs per round judging by floyds standards, 2 jabs on clotteys left glove, another 2 jabs on clotteys right glove, and the rest to clotteys lil belly button. hahaha lol! and no, those arent combinations haha

It is the subtleties you are missing.Floyd wouldn't "break through" Clottey's defense-he wouldn't need to.If Manny would have downed the work rate a touch,Clottey would open up and be more vulnerable-that is what Floyd would do...
Also,I don't know why Manny never tried to go to the side of Clottey's head.He just did the same thing over and over (hit elbows,gloves and the occasional body shot) and it showed that even with Freddie Roach,there are things you cannot teach someone like Manny- adaptability, versatility and a boxing iq...

[skipperman]

it's a dumb assessment if you only base your analogy on that.

Clottey is different with Mayweather. and Pac's game plan will be different.
One of the reason i'm seeing why Pac was hit is because he needs to be hit in order for clottey to open up.

Mayweather is another story. He'll whoop Money May's ass he couldn't even throw a punch.

On a 12 round decision. Offensive always beats defensive.

How can Mayweather KO the Pacman? No way in hell.

[damned1974]

it's a dumb assessment if you only base your analogy on that.

Clottey is different with Mayweather. and Pac's game plan will be different.
One of the reason i'm seeing why Pac was hit is because he needs to be hit in order for clottey to open up.

Mayweather is another story. He'll whoop Money May's ass he couldn't even throw a punch.

On a 12 round decision. Offensive always beats defensive.

How can Mayweather KO the Pacman? No way in hell.

Mayweather doesn't stand in one place with his guard up like Clottey...Clottey isn't half as good at countering or defense as Floyd is.
If you think Manny changes or does something new with every opponent,then why didn't he do anything different tonight?
Boxing is based off of effective aggression-If Manny couldn't hurt a guy who stands in one place,has little speed,rarely throws a punch,etc ...then I don't see how he is going to cause Floyd much harm or be effective.
The bottom line-Clottey lets fights get away with his inactivity and his "defense"-Mayweather uses his defense to set up offense.