Why Cotto took such beating against Pac, Marg etc......

[Ray*]

Cotto was too slow to compete against Pac, And he got tired against Margarito because his stamina issue was in question.

[Dynamite Kid]

Cotto was too slow to compete against Pac, And he got tired against Margarito because his stamina issue was in question.

Its never one thing that changes a fight or is the deciding factor, its an culmination of things, what you said is true about both those fighters but Marg was also able to get off because of the stylistics issues in the fight, not just because Cotto slowed down, mental pressure is also something that he had to deal with, that is a big part of why he capitulated at the end.

[El Protagonista]

Good post. Not sure if someone else said this but Cotto is horrible at tying up. I believe if he knew how to clinch the way Mosley or Hopkins does he could have saved himself from getting beat up so bad. Not sure if it would mean victory but it would have reduced the damage taken.

[Ray*]

Its never one thing that changes a fight or is the deciding factor, its an culmination of things, what you said is true about both those fighters but Marg was also able to get off because of the stylistics issues in the fight, not just because Cotto slowed down, mental pressure is also something that he had to deal with, that is a big part of why he capitulated at the end.

Going into the Margarito fight i thought the fight was 50-50 because i have alway questioned Cotto's championship rounds stamina especially when i saw how he backed off Mosley in the last two rounds, So i knew the championship rounds would be a decisive factor in the Cotto/Margarito fight.

The Pacquiao fight i just couldnt see how he would win the fight because the speed difference was too much, And Pac was very fresh from his last three fights while Cotto has two tough fights before he face Pac, The mental pressure part for me could be looked at in different ways especially with the plaster wrap fiasco surrounding Rito, I could care how mentally tough you are if you get hit with a plaster wrap with bad intentions then your body would fail you.

[paulsinghnl]

the reason i liked Cotto's fight with Mosley so good is because there were glimpses in there in which his style was running on optimum efficiency, i.e. stepping in with a hard jab to stun the opponent back, wherein u use the opponents timing against them, then cracking them with body shots and stepping out of the way, still taking some shots, but keeping it at a minimum.

[Dynamite Kid]

Going into the Margarito fight i thought the fight was 50-50 because i have alway questioned Cotto's championship rounds stamina especially when i saw how he backed off Mosley in the last two rounds, So i knew the championship rounds would be a decisive factor in the Cotto/Margarito fight.

The Pacquiao fight i just couldnt see how he would win the fight because the speed difference was too much, And Pac was very fresh from his last three fights while Cotto has two tough fights before he face Pac, The mental pressure part for me could be looked at in different ways especially with the plaster wrap fiasco surrounding Rito, I could care how mentally tough you are if you get hit with a plaster wrap with bad intentions then your body would fail you.

Yes but you to factor in the amount of body punches Marg was sinking in throughout the fight which also took their toll on his stamina. I picked Margarito to win! despite being a Cotto fan, not because of stamina issues but because i felt Cotto was not illusive enough, a good enough ring general to avoid a high contact fight with Marg where by Marg's extra size would not be a factor, tbh i had my reservations about him beating Clottey for the same type of reason, that turned out to be extremely close to.

I felt Pacquaio would win because of styles as much as i felt speed of hand and foot would be a factor, Cotto made Mosley look slow at times so i knew he was quick enough to live with Manny for speed, albeit maybe still not be as! quick.

You see Miguel's style is to methodically come foward and pick his spots when to attack, he is not a seek and destroy fighter like a lot of people like to think he is, he closes distance slowly, not because he lacks footspeed but because its the way he fights, he likes to access the landscape and pick his spots before attacking, now against anyone! who has good ring generalship or knows how to use their legs you are going to have problems, hell the Malignaggi was on the table going into the last 3 rounds and Malignaggi used his legs, thats why im dont think having remarkable hand/footspeed, which Manny does have, is the only reason Cotto lost, Cotto could of struggled with a few top fighters who are able exploits how slowly he closes distance, why? because closing distance slowly allows the opponent to think about what there going to throw, where there going to move after throwing in order to be safe defensively, and the time to set there attack up, all this is without talking about Manny's Southpaw stance which is another vital reason why Cotto did not win, like i said Cotto puts too much weight on the lead foot, now against a lefty this is suicide, why? because your leaning into the power hand of the opponent, plus Manny is a guy that really turns his left hand over, he does not finish on the target, he finishes 6 inch past the target and when your leaning into the power hand its doubly worst. I said before the fight that Cotto would get raked with straight left hands and whilst Cotto did at times he also did a good job of avoiding a few of them, however what Manny did which was even more effective, and what still exploited his stance, was when Cotto leaned away from the left hand instead of pulling out after falling short Pac would stay in there and throw an uppercut which got him even closer then he would throw another straight left which Cotto could not avoid.

[SplitSecond]

not really no, he just folds under pressure
it frightens him when he cant get someone off him with power too

[savorduhflavor]

I see what you're saying, and it's a good analysis. I agree with putting too much weight on his lead foot, but Cotto gets hurt to the body frequently. And his defense is only solid against guys that don't throw big combinations.

Pac and Margarito throw 5 and 6 punch combinations where the only way to negate the effectivness of those combos is to tie up, but Cotto tries to pick them off and his defense simply isn't good enough.

[-Huey-]

Cotto gets nothing but respect from me, he is a warrior.

[Dynamite Kid]

I see what you're saying, and it's a good analysis. I agree with putting too much weight on his lead foot, but Cotto gets hurt to the body frequently. And his defense is only solid against guys that don't throw big combinations.

Pac and Margarito throw 5 and 6 punch combinations where the only way to negate the effectivness of those combos is to tie up, but Cotto tries to pick them off and his defense simply isn't good enough.

Agree but do you reckon that, that would also be down to his stance aswell? i mean if you fight with your hands as high as Cotto does, surely you gonna expose a lot more body to the opponent? not to mention how square he fights and gives you both side of his body.