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[B.U.R.N.E.R]

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[Deevel916]

cmon now take the whole picture into question

Mayweather agreed to 8oz gloves right off the bat correct?

wouldn't that nullify Mayweather's 154lb claims as false considering he was so willing to let Manny use Reyes 8oz gloves and the fact that any 154lb fight has to be on 10s?

Well we dont know first hand in which order the negotiations were agreed to. None of us were there, nor where the exact details of which order these demands were agreed to ever released to the public.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Because, is not Manny weight. He did not invent that catchweight. Chavez-Whitaker fougth at a catchweight of 145 for the lineal WW title 16 years before Pac fought Cotto. The same catchweight that Pac-Cotto fought.

We didn't call that Chavezweight or Whitakerweight... Nobody really made a big deal about it...

And, about the diamond belt that was Souliman trying to make extra money...

So the whole Mannyweight is a BS line to me...

Not true Jro.It was because Cotto felt cheated and didnt want his belt on the line. It was because Pac didnt want to fight him at the limit like a real WW. So they created a Belt for this specific fight.

Diamond belt unveiled for Pacquiao-Cotto

By Dennis Principe


THE MEXICO-BASED World Boxing Council officially unveiled its Diamond Belt which will be presented to the winner of the Nov. 14 face-off between Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto.

The unveiling happened Wednesday at the Corona auditorium in Mexico which was led by WBC president Jose Sulaiman who announced that the belt will be for high profile catch weight bouts.

The belt’s components include 18-karat gold plates, 861 diamonds, six rubies, 221 emeralds and 180 Swarovzki crystals all mounted on an Italian Ferrari leather and displays the pictures of both Pacquiao and Cotto as well as the Puerto Rican and Philippine flags.

The idea of presenting a diamond belt came about when Cotto, though agreeing to battle Pacquiao at a catch weight of 145 lb, initially refused to stake his World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight belt unless the Filipino reconsiders fighting at 147.

Eventually Cotto gave in to Pacquiao’s demand of staking the WBO title in their catch weight battle. Both combatants also agreed to recognize the diamond belt after the WBC assured no sanction fees will be charged to either fighter.

[Eaner0919]

Because, is not Manny weight. He did not invent that catchweight. Chavez-Whitaker fougth at a catchweight of 145 for the lineal WW title 16 years before Pac fought Cotto. The same catchweight that Pac-Cotto fought.

We didn't call that Chavezweight or Whitakerweight... Nobody really made a big deal about it...

And, about the diamond belt that was Souliman trying to make extra money...

So the whole Mannyweight is a BS line to me...

Problem is that you probably weren't around to know this fully

heck lets go back to DLH Hopkins where DLH made Hopkins weigh in at 157

that was not known until late into the training and when fans found out DLH took a lot of flack for that considering Hopkins was a career Middle at the time right?

and in the end bro

it's a stipulation that Manny made that went against the rules of what his governing body has in place much like Floyd right?

page 6 of the WBO handbook CLEARLY states a welterweight fight is UP TO 147lbs.

NOT between 141 and 147. UP TO meaning the fighters have the ability to weigh as much as 147 come official weigh in time

yet

Cotto was not afforded that now was he?

[Eaner0919]

Well we dont know first hand in which order the negotiations were agreed to. None of us were there, nor where the exact details of which order these demands were agreed to ever released to the public.

well I kind of do but I dont expect you to believe me so I will state this

both side agreed to everything with the exception of one item

both sides had no issues with the split the weight the glove size etc etc

at all it went very very well from what I heard

so much so Arum went to the PI not jsut for the TV deal he was working on BUT to show Manny the contracts right?

so with that in mind I think it safe to say 154 was not an issue at all and not one of Mayweather's stips that he wanted

[Chuckguy]

problem is that you probably weren't around to know this fully

heck lets go back to dlh hopkins where dlh made hopkins weigh in at 157

that was not known until late into the training and when fans found out dlh took a lot of flack for that considering hopkins was a career middle at the time right?

And in the end bro

it's a stipulation that manny made that went against the rules of what his governing body has in place much like floyd right?

Page 6 of the wbo handbook clearly states a welterweight fight is up to 147lbs.

Not between 141 and 147. Up to meaning the fighters have the ability to weigh as much as 147 come official weigh in time

yet

cotto was not afforded that now was he?

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[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Problem is that you probably weren't around to know this fully

heck lets go back to DLH Hopkins where DLH made Hopkins weigh in at 157

that was not known until late into the training and when fans found out DLH took a lot of flack for that considering Hopkins was a career Middle at the time right?

and in the end bro

it's a stipulation that Manny made that went against the rules of what his governing body has in place much like Floyd right?

page 6 of the WBO handbook CLEARLY states a welterweight fight is UP TO 147lbs.

NOT between 141 and 147. UP TO meaning the fighters have the ability to weigh as much as 147 come official weigh in time

yet

Cotto was not afforded that now was he?

Man Ive heard from Pac fans that Pac did Cotto a favor by making it 145. Saying Cotto was ripped and ****. Its really ridiculous, how did Pac do him a favor when Cotto clearly said OVER and OVER that he wanted at 147.

[jrosales13]

Problem is that you probably weren't around to know this fully

heck lets go back to DLH Hopkins where DLH made Hopkins weigh in at 157

that was not known until late into the training and when fans found out DLH took a lot of flack for that considering Hopkins was a career Middle at the time right?

and in the end bro

it's a stipulation that Manny made that went against the rules of what his governing body has in place much like Floyd right?

page 6 of the WBO handbook CLEARLY states a welterweight fight is UP TO 147lbs.

NOT between 141 and 147. UP TO meaning the fighters have the ability to weigh as much as 147 come official weigh in time

yet

Cotto was not afforded that now was he?

But, doesn't up to mean it can be at 147 it doesn't HAVE to be?

I get it that he didn't get the ability to fight at 147. But, he knew that. He didn't have to take the fight... He could of stand firm 147 or no fight. Who else was Pac going to fight? I guess Mosley at a catchweight but Roach wasn't even keen on fighting Shane at 140.

Like I said catchweights at 145 have happen before is not "Mannyweight" is just a ridiculous line. He is not the first one to fight at that catchweight and he won't be the last.

That whole line is just ****** IMO... I understand some posters use it cuz they just haters and try to diminish his accomplishments and victories... But, is really a BS line IMO...

[Deevel916]

well I kind of do but I dont expect you to believe me so I will state this

both side agreed to everything with the exception of one item

both sides had no issues with the split the weight the glove size etc etc

at all it went very very well from what I heard

so much so Arum went to the PI not jsut for the TV deal he was working on BUT to show Manny the contracts right?

so with that in mind I think it safe to say 154 was not an issue at all and not one of Mayweather's stips that he wanted

Im not disagreeing with u in regards to how everything was agreed upon by both fighters. Im fully aware that the negotiations went pretty smooth, but i'm also aware that Floyd first asked for the fight to be held at 154. Maybe he wasnt serious about it, and used it first as a weight negotiating tool, but it was mentioned.

As u stated "Arum went to the Philippines himself to show Pac the contract, and work on the tv deal". He even went as far as to try and secure Cowboys Stadium as the venue, yet some idiots here insist that Arum had no interest in taking the fight in the first place. I highly doubt he would of went thru all that trouble for a fight he had no intentions on making.

[Deevel916]

Man Ive heard from Pac fans that Pac did Cotto a favor by making it 145. Saying Cotto was ripped and ****. Its really ridiculous, how did Pac do him a favor when Cotto clearly said OVER and OVER that he wanted at 147.

Cotto also went on the record after the fight to say that he felt great making that weight, and didnt feel affected at all.