Can't Have It Both Ways, Either U Support Random DRUG Testing or U Don't!!!

[Danny Gunz]

But you just said you agreed with floyd's standard???
Floyd standard is any fighter who fights him must be willing
to participate in Random Urine and Blood test.

what is the problem with him holding that standard to pacquiao?
as he is doing with Mosley?

Why didnt Pacquiao ask for an enormous, never seen before weight penalty with Clottey like he did with Mayweather?

Is Pacquiao a hypocrite?

It basically comes down to the fact that people wanted to make sure Floyd wasnt just indirectly accusing Manny of taking steroids by demanding the tests and that Floyd was serious about "cleaning up the sport."

To be fair the standard of the blood and urine testing began when contract negotiations with Pac started. Its not like Manny went into the fight knowing those demands would be made.

As for the weight penalty thing that was a relevant demand because in floyd's last fight he came in over the weight limit; Clottey never did that. And the penalty was there to ensure he would not do it again.

[Khalid X]

It basically comes down to the fact that people wanted to make sure Floyd wasnt just indirectly accusing Manny of taking steroids by demanding the tests and that Floyd was serious about "cleaning up the sport."

To be fair the standard of the blood and urine testing began when contract negotiations with Pac started. Its not like Manny went into the fight knowing those demands would be made.

As for the weight penalty thing that was a relevant demand because in floyd's last fight he came in over the weight limit; Clottey never did that. And the penalty was there to ensure he would not do it again.

this is a very unbiased post...I wish we would see more of this on NSB

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

why do you want me to tell you something when you come at me like a b!tch I just fvk and kicked to the curb. Honestly....re-read your post and ask yourself "would I respond to this".

so in other words u dnt knw wat the *** u r talking about?
provide us factsto confirm ur claims that the ped screenings dnt really work.

if not then stop posting as if u know wat u r talking about.
u can throw out all the insults u like but until u bak up that lame azz statement,

U OFFICIALLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE *** U R TALKING ABOUT!

And i bet a 100k that u wnt shut me up with facts in this thread!

[Pullcounter]

But you just said you agreed with floyd's standard???

I do agree with floyd standard, for himself and GBP boxers

Floyd standard is any fighter who fights him must be willing
to participate in Random Urine and Blood test.

Yes they must be willing to participate. if they aren't then we are at an impass.

what is the problem with him holding that standard to pacquiao?

because it's floyd's and GBP's standard not Filipino boxing icon and pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao's standard

as he is doing with Mosley?

Mosley is GBP and has admitted to roiding, so Mosley also is held to that standard set by Floyd and GBP

Why didnt Pacquiao ask for an enormous, never seen before weight penalty with Clottey like he did with Mayweather?

to my knowledge, clottey has never lied about making weight, then the day before the fight told his opponent to change the contract so that he could come in and fight over the contracted weight.

Is Pacquiao a hypocrite?

Fighter of the Decade Manny Pacquiao may be a hypocrite but not on this matter

[B]

Case and point. These are the people I'm talking about. Instead of looking at the big picture and what is at stake they want to oppose it because Mayweather is involved. If Mayweather found a cure a cure for cancer it would be no different. It shouldn't matter who supports it. What's right is right.

I support Random Blood Testing... and I agree with you that we should begin with all Floyd Mayweather fights (main events and undercards) and all GBP promoted cards including hopkins/rjj and any future fights.

[Khalid X]

so in other words u dnt knw wat the *** u r talking about?
provide us factsto confirm ur claims that the ped screenings dnt really work.

if not then stop posting as if u know wat u r talking about.
u can throw out all the insults u like but until u bak up that lame azz statement,

U OFFICIALLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE *** U R TALKING ABOUT!

And i bet a 100k that u wnt shut me up with facts in this thread!

dude go back and read my post above. You cant catch cheaters with Floyd's test because there is no Blood profile for comparision purposes. If you wanna know exactly why, then let me know and I can go into details.

Also there are so many loop holes and ways to get around this. You guys want random because of athletes being able to cycle out PED's with scheduled test...but fact is most PED and steroid use is done in the offseason when athletes put in the real work. This is another reason these test wouldn't work because a boxer can use all they want prior to training camp, cycle out and still get the benefits, while testing clean on all the random test.

I mean there is a reason why I said the commission needs to be the ones in charge and why Floyd's test are ineffective. There is a ton more, but these are just some off the top of my head.

[M.I Truth ?]

dude go back and read my post above. You cant catch cheaters with Floyd's test because there is no Blood profile for comparision purposes. If you wanna know exactly why, then let me know and I can go into details.

Also there are so many loop holes and ways to get around this. You guys want random because of athletes being able to cycle out PED's with scheduled test...but fact is most PED and steroid use is done in the offseason when athletes put in the real work. This is another reason these test wouldn't work because a boxer can use all they want prior to training camp, cycle out and still get the benefits, while testing clean on all the random test.

I mean there is a reason why I said the commission needs to be the ones in charge and why Floyd's test are ineffective. There is a ton more, but these are just some off the top of my head.

The whole purpose of the test would be to deter someone from cheating. There are ways to try to beat the system especially with a 14 day window but not everyone would be willing to take that risk. If you gamble and test dirty its career suicide. Its like putting a club on your car steering wheel. Some one can get that thing off if they really want your car but they risk getting caught cause it may take longer. Also it may not be worth the trouble to do it. I don't think anyone is saying the testing is 100% full-proof but it works as a deterrent and some may not want to risk trying to beat it or going through the trouble.

[imscythe]

The Point

if you didnt support Manny Pacquiao taking a random drug test, Do not turn around and ask other fighters to take a random drug test.

I did not support Manny taking the test because Pac has a point, FLOYD IS NOT THE BOXING COMMISSION.

If Floyd is doing everything in his power to clean up the sport he should have brought it up to NSAC.

And take note Mr. Horus, Pac agrees to the test if NSAC does it.

I guess Horus does not understand the Pac fans stand.

[MidnightBliss]

I just find it very amusing how Floyd only started this "Crusade" against steroids in professional sports when he faced his nightmare, that is Manny lol.

It was also very funny how the proposed mega fight between the two was all but sealed before Floyd decided he wanted stricter drug testing, admit it... hes a ****ING *****. thats the truth.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

dude go back and read my post above. You cant catch cheaters with Floyd's test because there is no Blood profile for comparision purposes. If you wanna know exactly why, then let me know and I can go into details.

Also there are so many loop holes and ways to get around this. You guys want random because of athletes being able to cycle out PED's with scheduled test...but fact is most PED and steroid use is done in the offseason when athletes put in the real work. This is another reason these test wouldn't work because a boxer can use all they want prior to training camp, cycle out and still get the benefits, while testing clean on all the random test.

I mean there is a reason why I said the commission needs to be the ones in charge and why Floyd's test are ineffective. There is a ton more, but these are just some off the top of my head.

The blood profile u speak of is mainly for blood doping purposes. So let me explain this to u in layman's terms of one of the uses of blood profiling.
-the blood profile is used to determine if an athlete is blood doping. in order to do so they will look at the hematocrit(HCT) there is a normal range and anything above so would be questionable. And no one will walk around with an elevated hct during the "offseason" and all the way through training to game time. Too dangerous. Polycythemia Vera, blood would be too thick/viscous for far too long. And I think we all understand when BOXERS actually would use PEDS, during training. Right?


If there are so many loopholes around random blood and urine testing, imagine what a wealthy determined cheater would do with the current testing that they "have never tested positive on." Thanx for pointing that out for us.

Already addressed the offseason issue relative to "BOXING".

Once again this makes no sense. If u aint training then PEDS wont really help.

Go do some real research and formulate a better hypothesis.

[M.I Truth ?]

I just find it very amusing how Floyd only started this "Crusade" against steroids in professional sports when he faced his nightmare, that is Manny lol.

It was also very funny how the proposed mega fight between the two was all but sealed before Floyd decided he wanted stricter drug testing, admit it... hes a ****ING *****. thats the truth.

People still think this? I thought everyone at least understood that the testing was there from day one of negotiations. No matter where you stand on subject you should still at least accept that this was not a last second demand.