Just how good is Pacquiao?

[Pullcounter]

In my quest to see how Pacquiao uses his jab, I come across the Cotto fight. So, i start re-watching the Cotto fight and I notice something that I didn't notice the first time. Besides Cotto looking horrible, not by cause of Pacquiao, he looks horrible in terms of health. That's not the point right now but I noticed that.

Pacquiao was fucking around with Cotto. He stops his flurries half way even when Cotto is feeling the punches. Then he pitty pats at times when Cotto is walking in with his guard open. Honestly, it looked like he was trying to learn timing in the middle of a fight. Then he pauses out of nowhere and just stands there with a hard shell and lets Cotto wail on him some, as if he is trying to learn defense. He even switched up to a textbook style and tried to put in some jabs and followed it with body shots, like a boxing 101 class or something. He was seriously just fucking around with Cotto like a sparring match. Like how Mayweather did with JMM.


I already know Pacquiao is good that isn't the point here. It's the little things that you don't see the first time around that this thread is about. Studying the tape is what this is bout. He is on some video game, movie, robot type ****. I don't know how you can learn during a real fight when your 30.

It's really amazing. He was changing his style constantly, just small little tweaks. As if he was sponging up the new information/experience.

cotto looked fine health-wise.

pac was playing around in the ring a little....but pac was right to be a little cautious in the beginning of the fight... like pac wanted to fight, but he kept hearing roach in the back of his head to remember the gameplan.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Arguably Floyd is not better than Pac like his fans would like you to believe.

Thats not arguable. Stand them side by side. Strehgth for trength, weakness for weakness, skill for skill hes not in Floyds class.

Hes great but lets be real here.

[jrosales13]

Thats not arguable. Stand them side by side. Strehgth for trength, weakness for weakness, skill for skill hes not in Floyds class.

Hes great but lets be real here.

Overall skill? is arguable... Floyd offensively is not close to Pac. He does not have offensive arsenal that Pac has. If just go by pure overall skill OVERALL not just pure defense which I think is what I think you really go by it is arguable. Is like I said about Duran. Duran is just as skilled as Floyd or maybe even more so. But, I am talking about overall what they bring to the table. Now if we are just talking about just defense then yes is not even close.

[F l i c k e r]

Thats not arguable. Stand them side by side. Strehgth for trength, weakness for weakness, skill for skill hes not in Floyds class.

Hes great but lets be real here.

With the way Pacquiao is going. From what I just saw. He is getting close. He is looking to have a better shot at taking down Mayweather, in my eyes, than I ever thought before.

When your 31 years old, fight a top 3 WW, and you using him to learn how to time punches, set up and pick-and choose punches, toss in learning better defense. Mid-fight. Bro, something crazy is going on there.

The thing that trips me out is that he was doing this mid-fight. Not in practice, not in the gym, not with Freddie. Mid fight, against a guy who wants to hurt you. That's why the title is what it is. If Pacquiao is still learning even after 50 fights and at an age where Boxing considers the declining stage. It's mind-blowing.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Overall skill? is arguable... Floyd offensively is not close to back. He does not have offensive arsenal that Pac has. If just go by pure overall skill OVERALL not just pure defense which I think is what I think you really go by it is arguable. Is like I said about Duran. Duran is just as skilled as Floyd or maybe even more so. But, I am talking about overall what they bring to the table. Now if we are just talking about just defense then yes is not even close.

Where did this myth come from that Floyd has no offense? He can throw every punch in the book at blazing speed with good power and accuracy with it. Floyd throws every punch in the book and rarely misses. He has a great offense. I have no idea where that stigma came from like Floyd is Cory Spinks or something.

Overall skill he is not in Floyds class. Neither was Duran. Is Pac good. Absolutely but lets slow down saying hes as skilled as Floyd. Pac isnt even the more skilled then Marquez.

[joe90210]

we won't really know until he gets off the steroids

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

With the way Pacquiao is going. From what I just saw. He is getting close. He is looking to have a better shot at taking down Mayweather, in my eyes, than I ever thought before.

When your 31 years old, fight a top 3 WW, and you using him to learn how to time punches, set up and pick-and choose punches, toss in learning better defense. Mid-fight. Bro, something crazy is going on there.

The thing that trips me out is that he was doing this mid-fight. Not in practice, not in the gym, not with Freddie. Mid fight, against a guy who wants to hurt you. That's why the title is what it is. If Pacquiao is still learning even after 50 fights and at an age where Boxing considers the declining stage. It's mind-blowing.

What he did to a 145 Cotto isnt a good gauge on how he will look vs. Mayweather.

You have to remember Cotto wasnt the same guy we know from his fights with Shane and Quintana etc...Just that fact that he could Toy with Cotto shows you where Cotto was mentally and physically rather then how good Pac was IMO.

[F l i c k e r]

Where did this myth come from that Floyd has no offense? He can throw every punch in the book at blazing speed with good power and accuracy with it. Floyd throws every punch in the book and rarely misses. He has a great offense. I have no idea where that stigma came from like Floyd is Cory Spinks or something.

Overall skill he is not in Floyds class. Neither was Duran. Is Pac good. Absolutely but lets slow down saying hes as skilled as Floyd. Pac isnt even the more skilled then Marquez.

I can agree with this. But do you think it's normal for a boxer with over 50 fights to be learning new **** mid-fight?

I wasn't even trying to look for any of this. I was just trying to see Pacquiao's jab and then I notice all these small things that I never noticed before.

[jrosales13]

Where did this myth come from that Floyd has no offense? He can throw every punch in the book at blazing speed with good power and accuracy with it. Floyd throws every punch in the book and rarely misses. He has a great offense. I have no idea where that stigma came from like Floyd is Cory Spinks or something.

Overall skill he is not in Floyds class. Neither was Duran. Is Pac good. Absolutely but lets slow down saying hes as skilled as Floyd. Pac isnt even the more skilled then Marquez.

There is no myth, not once did I say Floyd had no offense. I am just syaing is not in the class of Pac. Manny Pac has has defense is just not in the class of Floyd.

If you honestly believe that overall skill neither Pac or Duran are not in Floyd class then you're seriously overrating Floyd skill level...

[Hannibal Barca]

Yeah, about as amazing as Barry Bonds hitting 73 HR's AFTER his 30th birthday.

PED's do amazing things for the human body.