Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko, Nikolai Valuev Hoping To Reach Terms

[Dave Rado]

Last time I saw, the rules dictate that the challenger gets 25% in a purse bid, so Vitali's team probably looks at that and says that he'll be getting more than he would if he did try that.

It's 70/30 according to the WBC rules.

But in addition to that, Valuev would get a decent payday in the elimination fight.

And we don't know what percentage of the total the $2.5 million represents. It may well be under 30%, because in Germany, the Klitshkos' fights always make a lot of money, and this one in particular would make a huge amount.

[Dave Rado]

Sure, but Povetkin is Wlad's mandatory so he's not available.

He wouldn't take a voluntary fight with Vitali, because he would have a larger purse share with his mandatory fight with Wlad.

Considering that neither Povetkin nor Vitali have fought since December, I think it's a shame that Povetkin should be twiddling his thumbs waiting for a mandatory with Wlad that can't happen until at least June, when he could fight Vitali in April. I think Vitali should just offer Povetkin a purse share equal to what he'd get if it were a mandatory. Maybe his brother would object, but as things stand Wlad is fighting two opponents in a row who are more credible than anyone Vitali can get currently, which seems unfair.

In any case, Chagaev is also more credible than Boytsov, IMO, despite his loss to Wlad - and is far more credible than Solis at this stage, as Solis hasn't yet fought a single decent opponent. IMO it would be a far too big a jump in class for Solis at this point - Solis needs some learning fights against fringe contenders first.

[Jim Jeffries]

Considering that neither Povetkin nor Vitali have fought since December, I think it's a shame that Povetkin should be twiddling his thumbs waiting for a mandatory with Wlad that can't happen until at least June, when he could fight Vitali in April. I think Vitali should just offer Povetkin a purse share equal to what he'd get if it were a mandatory. Maybe his brother would object, but as things stand Wlad is fighting two opponents in a row who are more credible than anyone Vitali can get currently, which seems unfair.

In any case, Chagaev is also more credible than Boytsov, IMO, despite his loss to Wlad - and is far more credible than Solis at this stage, as Solis hasn't yet fought a single decent opponent. IMO it would be a far too big a jump in class for Solis at this point - Solis needs some learning fights against fringe contenders first.

I'd be happy with Chagaev or Povetkin, maybe Tony Thompson. Boytsov to me has shown a lot of improvement in the last year, but he's still at least a year away from title contention, despite his high ranking.

[vitali1999]

Vitali

Why in hell does the elder Klitschko continue to persue this hopeless fight, sure he would make tons of money of of this fight, but it's clear that Valuev won't budge. He needs to fight Boystov, he is also Russian.

[The Hammer]

In any case, Chagaev is also more credible than Boytsov, IMO, despite his loss to Wlad - and is far more credible than Solis at this stage, as Solis hasn't yet fought a single decent opponent. IMO it would be a far too big a jump in class for Solis at this point - Solis needs some learning fights against fringe contenders first.

No. Chagaev is shot from Hepatitis B, injuries and inactivity. He never landed a real punch on Wlad, except for one after the bell. He should retire.

Boytsov is far more credible than Ruslan at this point.

Tony Thompson wouldn't be a bad opponent though...

[Mr. Invincible]

Okay, lets be real with this.

Vitali gets next to no credit for beating anyone out there at this point unless it's either A) Povetkin, B) Haye or C) Valuev, by KO/TKO. Povetkin is obviously out of the question and Haye is fighting year 2000 contenders at the moment so on we go to Valuev. It's really that simple. Vitali is fighting for legacy and that last belt at the moment. There's no more games. Valuev has been dodging the Klitschko's long enough and he should have taken the 1 million dollar offer much less the 2.5 million one. The guy is a scared joke and knows he gets an a55 whippin by either Klitschko. He just wants a retirement payday. Period. End of story and end of thread.

[ChopperRead]

Speaking of Vitali, there's a nice AVI of the Vitali - Lewis fight available on ********** right now. It was a pleasure to watch that classic brawl again: still very exciting!

[ChopperRead]

Okay, lets be real with this.

Vitali gets next to no credit for beating anyone out there at this point unless it's either A) Povetkin, B) Haye or C) Valuev, by KO/TKO. Povetkin is obviously out of the question and Haye is fighting year 2000 contenders at the moment so on we go to Valuev. It's really that simple. Vitali is fighting for legacy and that last belt at the moment. There's no more games. Valuev has been dodging the Klitschko's long enough and he should have taken the 1 million dollar offer much less the 2.5 million one. The guy is a scared joke and knows he gets an a55 whippin by either Klitschko. He just wants a retirement payday. Period. End of story and end of thread.

I think Valuev will come around and this fight will happen.

[Dave Rado]

I think Valuev will come around and this fight will happen.

I've been thinking about this, and unless I'm missing something, the solution is obvious. Valuev says he is holding out for a better purse share because if the fight doesn't happen now, he can just win an eliminator and become a mandatory challenger. Well if he was a mandatory challenger, he'd get a 70/30 purse share. So Vitali should call his bluff and offer him a 70/30 purse share now.

King asked for 60/40, which is ridiculous. But Vitali didn't come back with a counter-offer in terms of purse share and that seems to me to be playing into King's and Valuev's hands. Instead of upping his offer in terms of the guarantee, which Valuev is claiming is not a fair offer in terms of purse share,
he should simply make a counter-offer in terms of purse share. And given that Valuev says he is holding out for a mandatory, which he says would give him a better purse share, all Vitali has to do is call his bluff by offering him the same purse share as he would get if he was a mandatory, i.e. 70/30. Valuev would then not have a leg to stand on if he turned it down - that would just make him look like a liar.

I don't understand why Vitali hasn't already tried this.

[Pirao]

Valuev would not get more money if he was a mandatory, in fact he would probably get less. Vitali reportedly made 22 million euros last year, but most of that is endorsement and the cut from TV commercials. Let's say for argument's sake, since we don't know the exact numbers (unless any of you do, then feel free to inform us) that half the money is from endorsements and TV money and the other half is from the purses. That would mean 11 million total, so a little less of 3,7 million per fight. A 30% of 3,7 million would mean Valuev would make 1,11 million euros, which is quite a bit less than the 2,5 million $ Vitali is offering. Of course I could be wrong since I'm just speculating with the numbers, but I doubt Valuev would make that much money as he's claiming.