Comments Thread For: John Murray Withdraws From United States Debut Bout

[Neckodeemus]

he looks better than murray who looks like a typical stiff.
no upper body,head movement. he just walks straight in with his guard up, behind a weak or non-existent jab. average to below average hand speed and is completely open to shots in b/t punches.

lundy would bruise and batter that stiff with his hand speed and activity level.

murray struggled last time he came to the US vs a journeyman and also looked terrible vs a 4-8 fighter.

he's at best a top level domestic fighter.

Must be a different Henry Lundy as the one I'm talking about moves around well, looks flash with his shots and comes forward Ok but is terrible when pushed back, has a huge gaping hole down the centre of his defence and is easy to hit, he also looks ragged and cannot maintain in my opinion. Exaggerated movement does not a defensive expert make.

Conversely, Murray's defence is improved in recent times and was never as terrible as people once thought. He uses his gloves to make little movements when the punches come his way, it is called parrying and taking shots on the gloves and he takes a fair few there. Probably best appreciated up close.

It is hard to say for sure but people slate Murray for boxing badly against Muniga and winning. Hamidi also, where he learned a lesson: never fight when you are not prepared for the opponent. Lundy looked poor when dropping a draw versus Jiles, went the distance with Ben Odamattey, who was stopped by Murray, and looked tepid against Abril. I thought Abril himself looked pretty pedestrian against Prescott, who will dine off the Khan win for him entire career, as Breidis is quite poor at the higher levels.

Lundy is going nowhere in my opinion and would have had more to gain in this fight than Murray.

[Siggy]

Must be a different Henry Lundy as the one I'm talking about moves around well, looks flash with his shots and comes forward Ok but is terrible when pushed back, has a huge gaping hole down the centre of his defence and is easy to hit, he also looks ragged and cannot maintain in my opinion. Exaggerated movement does not a defensive expert make.

Conversely, Murray's defence is improved in recent times and was never as terrible as people once thought. He uses his gloves to make little movements when the punches come his way, it is called parrying and taking shots on the gloves and he takes a fair few there. Probably best appreciated up close.

It is hard to say for sure but people slate Murray for boxing badly against Muniga and winning. Hamidi also, where he learned a lesson: never fight when you are not prepared for the opponent. Lundy looked poor when dropping a draw versus Jiles, went the distance with Ben Odamattey, who was stopped by Murray, and looked tepid against Abril. I thought Abril himself looked pretty pedestrian against Prescott, who will dine off the Khan win for him entire career, as Breidis is quite poor at the higher levels.

Lundy is going nowhere in my opinion and would have had more to gain in this fight than Murray.

lundy's style would automatically be a problem for murray becuz he's a busy fighter with much faster hands who punches, gets out and uses angles. all murray could hope to do is move forward, hope lundy stays still and stops punching.
murray wont be able to get off cuz all his defense is is a high guard. he's not a counter puncher and hes slow to transition from the shell to offense.

murray wouldve taken an L and wouldve lost his shot at the worthless EBU belt. both fighters have bigger goals in mind, one fighter was willing to fight on short notice, the other was not. lundy's more confident in his abilities than murray who'd rather fight euro bums.

im not saying lundy's a world beater, but hes definitely a better fighter than murray.

[Neckodeemus]

lundy's style would automatically be a problem for murray becuz he's a busy fighter with much faster hands who punches, gets out and uses angles. all murray could hope to do is move forward, hope lundy stays still and stops punching.
murray wont be able to get off cuz all his defense is is a high guard. he's not a counter puncher and hes slow to transition from the shell to offense.

murray wouldve taken an L and wouldve lost his shot at the worthless EBU belt. both fighters have bigger goals in mind, one fighter was willing to fight on short notice, the other was not. lundy's more confident in his abilities than murray who'd rather fight euro bums.

im not saying lundy's a world beater, but hes definitely a better fighter than murray.

I've seen fighters use straight shots to the body to open Lundy up and know Murray is capable of doing this. Also, fast hands and angles are no guarantee if you lack the capability to utilise them well. Lundy has, in my mind, been exposed already as a guy going nowhere fast. Maybe he'll grab a title and I'll look an idiot but I can't see it on his current form.

I actually like decent American stylists, unfortunately there are very few of them about in recent times and Lundy is definitely not one for the future.

As for the EBU or not to EBU thing. That belt gets you up the WBC rankings. Mezaache won it in unimpressive fashion and is now sitting on a high ranking. Lundy is nowhere to be seen in their rankings, unless he is ranked in a higher/lower division. It was a lose-lose fight. The EBU fight, and possible win, will grab a high WBC ranking and make a mandatory fight for the title possible. It is a useful belt to hold.

We'll reconvene in a few years, see who has done what. I think Lundy will have another blemish, or two, to add to his D by that point.

[Estar]

I am hoping Hatton can win the purse bids and take Murray away from that god awful promoter Hennesey. Murray deserves a decent promoter and I could see Mitchell v Murray at the end of the year. I rate Murray highly when hes at his best, I think he suffers from inactivity being a pressure fighter I personally think you need to be fighting many times a year. Timing is important when being a pressure fighter and Hatton suffered from not fighting enough, he was brilliant when he was fighting under Warren, yes he did step up the level of competition but he looked a different fighter after the Tszyu fight.

Lundy is pretty average and Murray would have a good chance of beating him, I understand why Murray chose not to fight him. What on earth was Mick thinking flying him half way across the world with little time to prepare, Murray should concentrate on building his fanbase in the UK, he could become Manchester's next big thing. The Americans couldn't care less about a Englishman who isn't a world champion, it would be a typical fight that not many would watch. Even if Murray went to the USA and won the fight, hes hardly going to start fighting in the US and selling tickets is he at this stage? I am just glad the European title mess is over with and one of our best prospects can get back to work, at his best there isn't many better than Murray.