Boxrec.com's P4P List....

**jrosales13** · 03-01-2010, 02:53 PM

Is a computer based ranking... And, it really does even matter if it wasn't... P4P is based on opinion anyways... I don't know why people emphasis on P4P...

**B.U.R.N.E.R** · 03-01-2010, 02:53 PM

Boxrec does it by computers they claim to have some fail proof system. But the list is always trash.

**Jamel H** · 03-01-2010, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by No Ceilings

Boxrec does it by computers they claim to have some fail proof system. But the list is always trash.

Yep... Clearly see that, they need to just stop making list like these because it only looks like they make their list of whoever was recently active...

**black.ink** · 03-01-2010, 03:00 PM

Rookie mistake. Boxrec is not a great source for rankings.

Like JRosales said, P4P means nothing.

**Jamel H** · 03-01-2010, 03:06 PM

I just had to post this lol I laughed when I seen it, no matter how bad their systems are they DONT even believe this lol

**Clyde Barrow** · 03-01-2010, 03:11 PM

P4P is rubbish anyway.

**Jamel H** · 03-01-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Clyde Barrow

P4P is rubbish anyway.

And this list tells exactly why...

**ИATAS** · 03-01-2010, 03:58 PM

BoxRec Ratings Description

Introduction

Boxing Record Archive (BoxRec.com) provides "Active" and "All" boxer ratings, as calculated daily by its computer. The "All" (which means all boxers who are in the database) ratings include both "active" and "inactive" (retired) boxers. The "Active" ratings include only those boxers who have had a bout within the past 365 days. (After a year of not fighting, a boxer is automatically designated "inactive" by the BoxRec computer. A boxer is also designated "inactive," or "complete," if he has announced his retirement, even if he may have had a bout within the past 365 days.) Every active boxer in the database is rated--even those with an 0-1 record.

These ratings are not influenced by subjective views or opinions, but are wholly dependent upon the bouts contained in the BoxRec server database. The BoxRec computer re-calculates the ratings at approximately 9:35 GMT every day. As the computer refreshes its calculations, a boxer may earn or lose ratings points with every bout he has fought since the last calculation--provided, of course, that a BoxRec Editor has entered that bout into the database before the recalculation. A boxer may also earn or lose points if bouts are added to any of his opponents' records, or to their opponents' records--even if the boxer himself has not had a fight since the last BoxRec computer calculation.

There admittedly are inaccuracies and anomalies, especially in the All-Time ratings, because of incomplete records in the BoxRec database. Although a boxer�s own record may be complete, his opponents� records may not be complete. Pre-World War II boxers in particular are at somewhat of a disadvantage, vis-�-vis modern boxers. Their opponents� records often are quite incomplete--because of the scarcity of source material or Editors' time--while the records of opponents of more current boxers often are quite complete. So, for example, while the records of Mike Tyson�s opponents may be quite complete--thereby earning Tyson a certain number of points and giving him a high ranking among the All-Time Heavyweights--the records of Young Stribling�s opponents may be extremely lacking, thereby giving Stribling fewer points and a much-lower All-Time rating. And it may appear to the casual BoxRec visitor that Stribling had fought many boxers making their professional debuts or having had only a handful of career bouts, when the truth is that not all of his opponents� total career bouts have been entered yet into the database by an Editor. (Too many of those old-time bouts are forever lost in history because they were not reported by a newspaper or similar source, or the source was later destroyed.) But as the BoxRec Editors continue to research older resources and enter �new� historical bouts into the database, the rating of an old-time boxer like Stribling will gradually move up or down, even if his own record is complete--if bouts are added to his opponents� records, or to his opponents' opponents' records, and so forth. So the BoxRec ratings are continually improving as new bouts are entered into the database. (Presently, some 2,000 current and old-time bouts are entered each week by the BoxRec Editors.)

Further, because of the very few women presently boxing professionally, with some weight divisions having only a handful of active female boxers, a woman with an 0-1 record will appear �world ranked� by BoxRec. This is simply an anomaly due to the few female entries in the database.
Ratings structure

All these ratings evaluate every day all bouts in the database in chronological sequence. A higher rated boxer should be expected to defeat a lower rated boxer with increasing probability by increasing rating difference.
Current ("Active") rating

1. Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
2. After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
3. The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
4. The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
5. The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1
6. KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
7. NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
8. UD, PTS are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
9. DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.
10. MD, SD, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.5. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
11. If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in relation to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for mean score difference divided by a sixth of rounds boxed greater or equal 1.
12. All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
13. The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating.
14. The winner gets at maximum 50 additional points. The 50 additional points are reduced by half the rating difference between the winner and the loser and by half of the own rating. The maximum of 50 points is only awarded, if the defeated opponent has 5 wins at minimum. In other cases the amount is reduced in relation to the number of wins.
15. For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
16. The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in relation to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent.
17. The ratings are decreased for moving up to higher weight divisions by the square of the reciprocal ratio of the weights limits of the divisions--and they are increased by the same factor for moving down the divisions.
18. The ratings are equalized between division clusters in relation to average points of the boxers ranked #8, #9, #10, #11 and #12 in a division cluster. The division clusters are heavyweight including cruiserweight, light heavyweight indluding super middleweight, middleweight indcluding light middleweight, welterweight including light welterweight, lightweight including super featherweight, featherweight including super bantamweight, bantamweight including super flyweight and flyweight including light flyweight an minimumweight.
19. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 0% to 50%, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% to 0% of his own rating points within 18 months.
20. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months.
21. The pre-bout rating of a boxer successfully returning from inactivity is set to the lower value of his opponents pre-bout rating and his own rating before inactivity.
22. The pre-bout rating of a successfully debuting boxer is set to 25% of his opponents pre-bout rating.

Formula

If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v and clear decision factor cd, the new ratings new_a and new_b after a fight are, earn_f is 33.3%:

* earn= earn_f * v * ($r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd));
* new_a= r_a + earn;
* new_b= r_b - earn;

Examples

Boxer a KO boxer b, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points. v=1, cd=1

* earn= 0.33 * 1 * (500*1 + (500-1000)/(1+2*1)) = 111
* r_a_new = 1000 + 111 = 1111
* r_b_new = 500 - 111 = 389

Boxer a UD 6 boxer b, scores 59:55 58:56 58:56, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points.

* A 6 rounder is rewarded with value 6/12, v=0.5
* UD is rewarded with cd=1 at maximum
* mean score difference per judge is (4+2+2)/3 = 2.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed with cd= 2.667/3 = 0.89 at maximum
* so cd=0.89

* earn= 0.33 * 0.5 * (500*0.89 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.89)) = 44
* r_a_new = 1000 + 44 = 1044
* r_b_new = 500 - 44 = 456

Boxer a SD 4 boxer b, scores 39:37 39:37 37:39, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points

* A 4 rounder is rewarded with 4/12, v=0.333
* SD is rewarded with cd=0.5 at maximum
* mean score difference per judge is (2+2-2)/3 = 0.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed 0.667/2 at maximum\
* so cd=0.333

* earn= 0.33 * 0.33 * (500*0.33 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.33)) = -15
* r_a_new = 1000 - 15 = 985
* r_b_new = 500 + 15 = 515

All Time Ratings

The All Time Rating for a boxer is the sum of annual rank points he gets for his annual ratings:

1. the annual rating is the rating at the end of every year the boxer was active
2. annual rank points = 200 / annual rank in division cluster
3. the division clusters are heavyweight including cruiserweight, light heavyweight indluding super middleweight, middleweight indcluding light middleweight, welterweight including light welterweight, lightweight including super featherweight, featherweight including super bantamweight, bantamweight including super flyweight and flyweight including light flyweight and minimumweight
4. the value of 200 annual points for the top boxer is reduced, if the annual rating of #10 in the division cluster is less than 150

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**Sugar Jay** · 03-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Its not that bad 2 me.....i mean i wouldnt have B-hop 1, id swp him with manny, but its not horrible

Boxrec.com's P4P List....