Khan would do Better with Mayweather Sr. as his Trainer?

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  • jrosales13
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    #21
    Originally posted by check hook
    In reality they would be about even......i know Lou Dibella has stated before Sr is hands down the best trainer.....


    Dawson
    Guzman
    Floyd Jr (although not current)
    Laila Ali (women's boxing.... yes i know....but she knows her ****)
    Worked with Delahoya


    So he has some good names in his stable....and look at what he can do if he trains some1 from an early age (Jr)...


    And we will see what Justin Jones can do if he turns pro.......
    None of the fighters you mentioned could stand working with him or didn't like working with him. A good trainer needs to have chemistry with his fighters. He didn't have it with none of them (I don't know about Laila) Guzman was already and established fighter by the time he got with Sr. And, Guzman was under Sr when he was overweight for the Campbell fight. Where was Sr at, his job is also to make sure his fighter is making the weight... He failed in that regard... Dawson if I am not mistaken became champ with Eddie Mustafa who is a very underrated trainer... Mustafa made Dawson not Sr... The most important thing between a trainer and a fighter is chemistry. Sr did not have that with anybody he trained except for Oscar. That alone makes Roach a better trainer...

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      #22
      Originally posted by check hook
      I think Cus D'Amato was a great trainer.........better than Futch IMHO.......


      Actually...thats prob a very bold statement.....but i base it on the fact that he was very inactive as a trainer......he didn't bother doing anything from the 60's/70's until Tyson came along........if he had a gym in the bronx or something like that u can guarantee he would have had a plethora of champs.........he was very good at discovering talen/ promise at a young age in fighters......also a very good match maker........his analysis of Frazier v Ali 1 went exactly how he said it would........

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        #23
        Originally posted by jrosales13
        None of the fighters you mentioned could stand working with him or didn't like working with him. A good trainer needs to have chemistry with his fighters. He didn't have it with none of them (I don't know about Laila) Guzman was already and established fighter by the time he got with Sr. And, Guzman was under Sr when he was overweight for the Campbell fight. Where was Sr at, his job is also to make sure his fighter is making the weight... He failed in that regard... Dawson if I am not mistaken became champ with Eddie Mustafa who is a very underrated trainer... Mustafa made Dawson not Sr... The most important thing between a trainer and a fighter is chemistry. Sr did not have that with anybody he trained except for Oscar. That alone makes Roach a better trainer...

        Well it's quite obvious his attitude needs adjustment.....his own son can't stand to be trained by him.........he def knows what he is doing though.....

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          #24
          Originally posted by check hook
          Well it's quite obvious his attitude needs adjustment.....his own son can't stand to be trained by him.........he def knows what he is doing though.....
          He knows what he is doing as a trainer. Roach does too... But, again I think chemistry is so important. Without it you cant work together. I think that is what makes Roach better, he has better chemistry with his fighters... I think is what makes ****m Richardson better as well he has chemistry with his fighters and is very knowledgable, can break down film. And, one of if not the best strategic trainer in all of boxing...

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            #25
            Originally posted by jrosales13
            None of the fighters you mentioned could stand working with him or didn't like working with him. A good trainer needs to have chemistry with his fighters. He didn't have it with none of them (I don't know about Laila) Guzman was already and established fighter by the time he got with Sr. And, Guzman was under Sr when he was overweight for the Campbell fight. Where was Sr at, his job is also to make sure his fighter is making the weight... He failed in that regard... Dawson if I am not mistaken became champ with Eddie Mustafa who is a very underrated trainer... Mustafa made Dawson not Sr... The most important thing between a trainer and a fighter is chemistry. Sr did not have that with anybody he trained except for Oscar. That alone makes Roach a better trainer...


            I think Roach is very clever at identifying his fighters strengths and putting them in against guys where these strengths can be used against the other guys weaknesses..........if i was boxing i would want to be trained by Roach......he knows how to guide a fighters career thats for sure.........

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              #26
              nah, khan couldnt pull off a lot of the defensive techniques that floyd sr teaches becuz he's not a fluid, instinctual fighter. khan's too stiff in the upper body.
              remember when DLH tried to do that sht. he looked ****** and uncomfortable. khan would look the same.

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                #27
                i think Roach is better if u are already a pro and want some refinement and chemistry.....

                but to be trained from birth you would want senior........offense and defense.............

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                  #28
                  Amir should have went for Emanuel Steward. Tommy Hearns (big for his weight suspect chin), Steward made him the great fighter he was. He developed his right hand. Amir also has a suspect chin and is big for his weight.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by wazaa.
                    Amir should have went for Emanuel Steward. Tommy Hearns (big for his weight suspect chin), Steward made him the great fighter he was. He developed his right hand. Amir also has a suspect chin and is big for his weight.
                    Amir sucks Balls tho

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                      #30
                      What Mayweather teaches is great but it seems that his methods (shoulder roll) need to be installed very early in the career so that they are instictive. Khan may be too far along the road to have that level of technique surgery. Even if he were taught things they have to be comfortable and instictive for them to be employed in the pressure of a fight.
                      Khan has very fast hands but his upper body movement is stiff and not that good. That really needs improving.
                      With the trainer he works with how he gells with them is very important.Also how they get on with the Khan entourage is a factor to consider. He seems to get on well with Roach , I don't see Mayweather getting on as well with him. He would be good for teaching specific techniques but Khan seems to need mentoring and fathering from a coach as well and that is not going to happen with Mayweather. You could see that was not there with Rubio. Khan may be with the best coach for "him" already.
                      Freddie is really good at matchmaking and picking fights for his fighters. He works round his fighter's deficiencies by making sure they don't fight fighters that expose them when really the weaknesses should be addressed direct. This policy will protect Khan for a long time and lengthen his earning capacity and with his chin financially is the most prudent way to go. As fans it is not what we want to see but I don't think Khan has it in him to be a true elite take on all type of fighter no matter who trains him.
                      Last edited by John Hue; 02-28-2010, 08:09 AM.

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