NFL Player's Association opposed to HGH blood testing

[shadeyfizzle]

it's the player's association, not the "collective" group of players.

if you ask each player, to a man, if they would take the tests for career-high paydays, i wonder what the answer would be then.....


i know what the answer would be for those cheating.

So the consensus logic is.....if they refuse...they're cheating....if they submit....then they're clean.

Y'all are forgetting that the rugby player that got caught openly cooperated with his sport's rules and regulations and happily submitted to the tests.

[FLY TY]

So the consensus logic is.....if they refuse...they're cheating....if they submit....then they're clean.

Y'all are forgetting that the rugby player that got caught openly cooperated with his sport's rules and regulations and happily submitted to the tests.

nah...just because you submit, doesn't mean you're clean. it could, or it could mean you think you won't be caught.


by refusing, you open yourself up for su****ion. what you're missing is the money factor, bro.

if somebody is gonna PAY you (more money than you've ever made) to take a drug test, and you are clean, why refuse?

[shadeyfizzle]

nah...just because you submit, doesn't mean you're clean. it could, or it could mean you think you won't be caught.


by refusing, you open yourself up for su****ion. what you're missing is the money factor, bro.

if somebody is gonna PAY you (more money than you've ever made) to take a drug test, and you are clean, why refuse?

the money factor is irrelevant. it's like comparing what ufc fighters make to what boxers make and calling it chump change. All the while forgetting that ufc has fight of the night and knockout of the night bonuses.

200,000bucks may be chumpchange to top boxers...but if an unknown or undercard fighter like rogers mtagwa were to earn an extra 200k on top of his purse it would be a life changing event for him that he would never receive the opportunity to get in boxing by simply being a fringe contender.

Same thing with the drug testing issue. 25mil might seem like a lot for a rookie and i definitely would jump at the opportunity to make that kind of bread but why would someone like peyton manning or manny pacquiao be excited over 25 mil when they're easily worth at least double as it is.

[Eric Holder]

NFL wants to implement HGH blood testing after the rugby player tested positive for HGH. The player's association however is opposed to blood testing.


Surely they're all on HGH then since they're all collectively refusing to be tested right????

maybe not all, but the majority

[FLY TY]

the money factor is irrelevant. it's like comparing what ufc fighters make to what boxers make and calling it chump change. All the while forgetting that ufc has fight of the night and knockout of the night bonuses.

200,000bucks may be chumpchange to top boxers...but if an unknown or undercard fighter like rogers mtagwa were to earn an extra 200k on top of his purse it would be a life changing event for him that he would never receive the opportunity to get in boxing by simply being a fringe contender.

Same thing with the drug testing issue. 25mil might seem like a lot for a rookie and i definitely would jump at the opportunity to make that kind of bread but why would someone like peyton manning or manny pacquiao be excited over 25 mil when they're easily worth at least double as it is.

money is irrelevant? it's why these dudes do what they do.....come on, be smarter than that.

you're making this **** too complicated for yourself. manny pacquiao doesn't make 25 million dollars for his fights. this will be his HIGHEST payday to date. i don't care how much money you have, if somebody is willing to pay you more money than you've ever made, to take a drug test, i only see 1 problem.....

you're acting as if they're being put into a life-threatening situation or something.....it's a drug test!!!!

if you're clean, and you're being paid the most money you have ever made, there's no reason to NOT take a drug test, unless your life is on the line somehow, or you're afraid if being caught.

[shadeyfizzle]

money is irrelevant? it's why these dudes do what they do.....come on, be smarter than that.

you're making this **** too complicated for yourself. manny pacquiao doesn't make 25 million dollars for his fights. this will be his HIGHEST payday to date. i don't care how much money you have, if somebody is willing to pay you more money than you've ever made, to take a drug test, i only see 1 problem.....

you're acting as if they're being put into a life-threatening situation or something.....it's a drug test!!!!

if you're clean, and you're being paid the most money you have ever made, there's no reason to NOT take a drug test, unless your life is on the line somehow, or you're afraid if being caught.

see....that's where people get divided up into the 2 opposing views.

Yes everyone wants to be paid to do what they do. Money is not the almighty motivator for everyone though. you seem to believe it is.

12mil wasnt the most Brett Favre had ever been paid, but he took it to go with the vikings because he wanted to place himself in a situation where he had a real shot to reach the superbowl.

Alex Smith restructured his contract to receive less money in order to stay in san francisco rather than become a free agent.

In the end the whole drug testing thing is simply an inconvenience on top of doing the job they have already. it's not about taking the tests proves you're clean and if you refuse you're hiding something.

You've gotta be really naive to think pacquiao submitting and passing the tests would remove su****ion from him.

[-Antonio-]

Its no secret the NFL and NBA both have a good amount of athlethes on PEDs such as HGH.

I think LT was PEDs which is the reason for his sudden sharp decline. They just caught Rashawed Lewis from the Magic earlier this year with PEDs in his system.

Dude LT's decline does not have anything to do with roids, it has to do with his body wearing down.

Let's not start thinking EVERYONE was on roids. Because it's just not the truth. Now does a large percentage of the NFL do steroids? I think so. But a lot of guys don't do it also.

Lewis also got caught taking something not like HGH at all. And his numbers haven't dropped drastically or anything to think he's been doping all along either.

[-Antonio-]

Also this is a different situation than the Pacquiao one because it's the NFL proposing this. A league. Not a man writing something into a contract.

In other words, it's legit.

[shadeyfizzle]

Also this is a different situation than the Pacquiao one because it's the NFL proposing this. A league. Not a man writing something into a contract.

In other words, it's legit.

but the message of absurdity i was trying to project by making this thread was that since since the nfl players union is collectively opposing the tests....then surely they're ALL on peds right??? as absurd as that sounds and as unlikely it is for 100%of nfl players to be on hgh.

since the consensus around nsb is that anyone who refuses this is definitely hiding something.

[FLY TY]

see....that's where people get divided up into the 2 opposing views.

Yes everyone wants to be paid to do what they do. Money is not the almighty motivator for everyone though. you seem to believe it is.

12mil wasnt the most Brett Favre had ever been paid, but he took it to go with the vikings because he wanted to place himself in a situation where he had a real shot to reach the superbowl.

Alex Smith restructured his contract to receive less money in order to stay in san francisco rather than become a free agent.

In the end the whole drug testing thing is simply an inconvenience on top of doing the job they have already. it's not about taking the tests proves you're clean and if you refuse you're hiding something.

You've gotta be really naive to think pacquiao submitting and passing the tests would remove su****ion from him.

12 mil might not have been the most money brett favre has been paid, but he's 40, and 40 year old NFL players don't make that much money. you think brett wiuld've signed and played had minnesota only offered him 1 or 2 mil? or even 5 mil? check nfl contracts, brett is still one of the highest NFL players at 12 mil. he's not the "young" favre anymore, so he's not gonna get those same dollars....but making 12 mil, in the NFL ain't nothing to sneeze at.

also, you dont think pacquiao taking and passing the drug tests remove su****ion? how can it not? surely refusing to take the tests don't help.


to get back to your thread, you're missing the bigger picture....

first of all, the NFL owners want to limit player salaries, AND at the same time, ask them to start taking more drug tests.

now, i don't care who you are, if you go to work one day, and your boss says, "we gonna cut your pay, and we want you to take drug tests on top of it." you're gonna flip out, even if you're clean.

however,

if you go to work, and your boss says, "we want you to take drug tests, but we're gonna give you a huge raise." what is your response then?


you keep talking like these guys have the mindset that they're rich enough, so they're good......manny pacquiao still fights, peyton manning still throws balls. they still work, so obviously they want to get paid. show me an athlete that has ever made a lot of money, and decided to start playing for free.

these guys do what they do b/c they get paid to do it, shadey. if manny was satisfied, he'd retire, not keep putting his health/life on the line.

no matter what you do for a living, or how much money you have, if you decide to keep working for a paycheck, and your boss offers you more money than you've ever made, for something as trivial as a drug test, you're gonna do it (assuming you don't do drugs).

my thoughts, manny either knew he was gonna get a floyd mayweather ass-whooping, and decided to use the tests as a cop-out, OR he didn't want to risk being exposed, and having everything he worked for go down the drain.


or maybe, the fight was too soon, and they still plan on holding it later in the year, so they'll have more time to promote it. who knows?

i tell you what, if drug testing is the reason the fight is held up again, you can throw that last excuse out the window, and refer back to my first 2.