Hopkins has the most delusional fans. He is not going 12 with Haye.

[djtmal]

Tarver was never any good in the first place, he looked terrible in all of the fights I have seen of him. But Hopkins did move up even though I think it was due to a bit of shrewd matchmaking on his part. Kind of like Jones fighting Ruiz

hopkins moved up? he was a lightheavy from the gate....only reason he "moved up" is because he felt the coast was clear....

[Earl-Hickey]

That Dwyer off gamblers advisory thinks Hopkins would beat Haye.

[General Zod]

cough cough....sorry did you say ABOVE AVERAGE skills?!? .....David Haye is NOTHING SPECIAL.....everything about that dude is average as hell......he looks fast against those big slow dudes but he's not so fast......plus his chin is below average......Tarver was a big dude who was supposed to be able to do all this special stuff with his power.......but he got shutdown.......history has shown B.Hop to be SPECIAL.....his chin has never been on trial and feel like its ****ed up that dudes are NOT seeing that!!

Hopkins cant win this, especially at this stage in his career. What makes you think he can take shots from a Hw for 12 rounds?

[General Zod]

hopkins moved up? he was a lightheavy from the gate....only reason he "moved up" is because he felt the coast was clear....

Its clear from Boxrec that he had trouble making the mw limit, which is why his first 20 fights or so where at a smw catchweight. I think the reason he was able to make the mw limit for so long was due to the fact that through constant training he was able to never go more than 10-15 lbs above the mw limit inbetween fights. If he had let him self go inbetween fights like most fighters do then he would of had to move up sooner. After his second loss to Taylor he had no choice but to move up, lord knows how many years it would of took him to get another title shot, and he has openly said himself that he was struggling to make the mw limit at the back end of his mw reign.

[djtmal]

cough cough....sorry did you say ABOVE AVERAGE skills?!? .....David Haye is NOTHING SPECIAL.....everything about that dude is average as hell......he looks fast against those big slow dudes but he's not so fast......plus his chin is below average......Tarver was a big dude who was supposed to be able to do all this special stuff with his power.......but he got shutdown.......history has shown B.Hop to be SPECIAL.....his chin has never been on trial and feel like its ****ed up that dudes are NOT seeing that!!

first off, i don't believe that YOU believe that haye isn't that special because your delusions for nard won't allow it...

plus, hopkins lost 2x to jermaine taylor, somebody we found out was NOTHING SPECIAL, but he was equally sized, and had above average talent....just the type of fighter hopkins loses to every time...

now you talk about somebody being nothing special, and tarver should be the name that comes up every time...tarver is hopkins stans great equalizer man i tell you...if it wasn't for that tarver win, hopkins would not have a win against an equally sized, equally skilled fighter...

only thing special about hopkins is he managed to remain a p4p rated fighter at an advanced age, due to the fact that his career is full of wins over smaller fighters who couldn't check his chin properly...

[GameGod]

P4P Hopkins is in a whole different league. But he'd have trouble going the distance against Haye if he moved up to Heavyweight.

[120]

if the fight happens Im putting all my points that Hopkins doesn't even go the distance. It is delusional to even think he has a chance at all

[ИATAS]

Its clear from Boxrec that he had trouble making the mw limit, which is why his first 20 fights or so where at a smw catchweight.

No no no. Please don't use boxrec to learn history, you should know better man.

Hopkins started out heavier. He moved to middleweight because that was the right fit for him. Early in his career, and you'll notice this with most guys if you boxrec them, they weigh in over the actual limit, because it's not a title fight. Often you see guys early in their career who are middleweights weighting in at 164-165 etc.

Quick example: Danny Jacobs. he's a middleweight but he's only weighed under 160 one time and that was because a belt was on the line
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...2984&cat=boxer

Further, hopkins EASILY made middleweight, he most often came in at 158-159 pounds but on a number of times weighed 157 and even 156 pounds. Like Manny Stewart said, if he really wanted to he could have made jr. middleweight.

Hopkins never had a problem making 160, up until he was around 40 years old. The last year or two at middleweight he stated it was getting harder for him to make 160, but again, he was about 40 at the time.

[General Zod]

No no no. Please don't use boxrec to learn history, you should know better man.

I only use it to check weights and find good fights, but you do make a good point,lol

[General Zod]

Hopkins started out heavier. He moved to middleweight because that was the right fit for him. Early in his career, and you'll notice this with most guys if you boxrec them, they weigh in over the actual limit, because it's not a title fight. Often you see guys early in their career who are middleweights weighting in at 164-165 etc.

Quick example: Danny Jacobs. he's a middleweight but he's only weighed under 160 one time and that was because a belt was on the line
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...2984&cat=boxer

Further, hopkins EASILY made middleweight, he most often came in at 158-159 pounds but on a number of times weighed 157 and even 156 pounds. Like Manny Stewart said, if he really wanted to he could have made jr. middleweight.

Hopkins never had a problem making 160, up until he was around 40 years old. The last year or two at middleweight he stated it was getting harder for him to make 160, but again, he was about 40 at the time.

Good post, I learn something new everyday.