Pacquiao is Henry Armstrong in this era, who is PBF?

[Khalid X]

Yes Cotto beat him. Williams beat Margarito. BUt when Marg fought Cotto didnt he become THE MAN at that weight?


So Mosley then beat THE MAN in Margarito which makes Shane the Number 1 WW.

Pac couldve fought him he chose a damged goods Cotto at 145 pounds instead. Armstrong wouldve HAD to fight Mosley. He had no other boxers to pick from. And Homicide Hank DAMN sure wouldnt had made him fight at 145 Pounds.

Why don't you guys answer my question? was Cotto and Mosley the top 2 WW's at the time? Outta those two, who beat who?

This is coming from the same guy who will have a heart attack if Floyd beats Shane but Manny fights Shane at the end of the year. When deciding between two possible opponents, why face the loser of the two? Even Floyd's not that dumb....hence him facing Baldomir instead of Judah first. I mean use common sense for a minute.

[El Castigador]

Why don't you guys answer my question? was Cotto and Mosley the top 2 WW's at the time? Outta those two, who beat who?

This is coming from the same guy who will have a heart attack if Floyd beats Shane but Manny fights Shane at the end of the year. When deciding between two possible opponents, why face the loser of the two? Even Floyd's not that dumb....hence him facing Baldomir instead of Judah first. I mean use common sense for a minute.

So you are telling me that Mosley was not the best WW in the world because he LOST to Cotto 2 years ago.

But Cotto was. When Margarito beat the **** out of him 2 fights before Pac fought him?

Mosley was the Number 1 WW. I cant believe you are serious with this argument.

The Baldi/Floyd stuff was a one fight difference not 2 years man.

[Khalid X]

Its not debatable.

Cotto was the man.

Margarito beat the man.

Then Mosley beat Margarito.

Mosley was the Number 1 WW. Thats NOT up for debate.

So how did Marg become the man at WW for beating Cotto? When Williams beat his ass 2 years earlier. Didnt matter did it.

No...you fail to realise that No one has established themself as the clear number 1 WW when Floyd retired. The WW division was loaded and just like 168 and 140, there were too many top tier fighters for one to be considered number 1 without proving it in the ring. Cotto wasn't the clear WW, when you had guys like Williams, Margarito etc. Once Wiliams left and Marg had got suspended, it was Cotto and Mosley as the two top guys. Since they fought and Cotto won, it made sense to fight him.

[check hook]

Was Williams at WW when Pac was gonna fight Cotto. Dude had fought 3 outta his last 4 MW around the time pac vs cotto were fighting. Also explain how bradley's record at 140 was better than Hatton when Pac faced him? How does it compare to Tszyu, Urango, Malignaggi, lazcano, Castillo and Phillips?

Nobody should criticise Pac for fighting hatton over other guys. Hatton is a money fight and ofcourse he will fight him.

The reason all these other guys are ripping into you is because all the Pac fans on here use Floyd fighting Oscar and Ricky as their evidence he ducked Cotto and Margarito. They are just returning the favour by saying Pac ducked Bradley in choosing to fight Hatton and that he also ducked Shane in choosing to fight Cotto.....and lets not even talk about choosing Diaz.......

If floyd hasn't fought the best then neither has Pac!!! Can't have it both ways!!!

Pac is almost at Floyds level now in terms of drawing power and recognition in the sport so guess what people......... You now have to put up with the same bull**** double standards that Floyd has to put up with.......no matter who Floyd fights he is criticised FULL STOP.....Pac is going to get the same treatment from here on in......DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!

[El Castigador]

No...you fail to realise that No one has established themself as the clear number 1 WW when Floyd retired. The WW division was loaded and just like 168 and 140, there were too many top tier fighters for one to be considered number 1 without proving it in the ring. Cotto wasn't the clear WW, when you had guys like Williams, Margarito etc. Once Wiliams left and Marg had got suspended, it was Cotto and Mosley as the two top guys. Since they fought and Cotto won, it made sense to fight him.

This logic is so flawed man.

Isnt Pac fighting Clottey a guy who JUST lost to Cotto? A guy he Knocked out?


Why are you acting like Margarito didnt beat the **** out of Cotto? When he did that made Marg the man to beat.

Then Shane beat Marg.

[Khalid X]

So you are telling me that Mosley was not the best WW in the world because he LOST to Cotto 2 years ago.

But Cotto was. When Margarito beat the **** out of him 2 fights before Pac fought him?

Mosley was the Number 1 WW. I cant believe you are serious with this argument.

The Baldi/Floyd stuff was a one fight difference not 2 years man.

new flash.....No one has been considered the clear #1 WW then and there is no clear #1 WW now. It was Mosley/Cotto/Marg then (each had wins over the other) and now its May/Mosley/Pac now. It there was a clear number 1 guy, why hasn't someone been labeled the ring champ? May and Mosley are both GBP fighters so don't you think there would be advatageous to crown them champs. I mean ring mag is owned by them.

[Khalid X]

This logic is so flawed man.

Isnt Pac fighting Clottey a guy who JUST lost to Cotto? A guy he Knocked out?


Why are you acting like Margarito didnt beat the **** out of Cotto? When he did that made Marg the man to beat.

Then Shane beat Marg.

who was the best available opponent once Pac vs Floyd fell through? Berto vs Shane set to fight. Marg was suspended....I mean name a better opponent than Clottey at the time. Please explain?

[El Castigador]

new flash.....No one has been considered the clear #1 WW then and there is no clear #1 WW now. It was Mosley/Cotto/Marg then (each had wins over the other) and now its May/Mosley/Pac now. It there was a clear number 1 guy, why hasn't someone been labeled the ring champ? May and Mosley are both GBP fighters so don't you think there would be advatageous to crown them champs. I mean ring mag is owned by them.

The winner of Mosley vs. Mayweather will be for the ring Championship.

I dont see how we fault Shane for losing to Cotto 2 years ago...then say its not a problem that Cotto just got brutally beat up 2 fights before Pac fought him.

[check hook]

No...you fail to realise that No one has established themself as the clear number 1 WW when Floyd retired. The WW division was loaded and just like 168 and 140, there were too many top tier fighters for one to be considered number 1 without proving it in the ring. Cotto wasn't the clear WW, when you had guys like Williams, Margarito etc. Once Wiliams left and Marg had got suspended, it was Cotto and Mosley as the two top guys. Since they fought and Cotto won, it made sense to fight him.

Dude....Margarito absolutely destroyed Cotto.....plaster or not that was a career ending beating!!!

Margarito has fought guys like Cintron, Williams, Cotto, Clottey, Martinez....

were any of these fighters able to demolish Margarito the way Shane Mosley did??????

Seriously Mosley ***** slapped Tony!!!!

And now we have Pac fans discrediting Shane as a legit opponent for Floyd even after a tremendous display of skill and power. SSM is a handful for any fighter in history from 135-147 full stop!!!!!

[El Castigador]

who was the best available opponent once Pac vs Floyd fell through? Berto vs Shane set to fight. Marg was suspended....I mean name a better opponent than Clottey at the time. Please explain?

Paul Williams, Timothy Bradley and Sergio Martinez all wanted the fight.