Valero's impressive but pacquiao would destroy him.

[El Castigador]

Why would a Welter Weight pick on a Light weight? Does Pac need a tune up?

yea...only floyd can do that

Nice of you to edit my post.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Nice of you to edit my post.

so do you like take me off ignore, reply, then put me back on?

[Monte Cristo]

I would like to see that fight at 140lbs. Pacquiao could lose some weight again like most of his opponnets have so it shouldn't be a big deal.

Valero has power, quickness and thats good enough to win. all it takes is one good punch. just let pacquiao fight some wars like others have and Valero add some needed experirence and this could be an exciting fight to watch. I just don't think Pacquiao will lose the weight now like de la hoya did at an older age.

Anyone beatable they just have to fight the right opponnet in the right time. Valero might be the wrong opponnet for Pac and the right one for Valero to beat and make himself famous.

[jrosales13]

so do you like take me off ignore, reply, then put me back on?

Whatever happened to that debate you guys was going to have of Carbajal and Norris-Jackson impact?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Whatever happened to that debate you guys was going to have of Carbajal and Norris-Jackson impact?

he didnt want it...he wanted to talk about PBF-PAC

[studentofthegam]

It would be a good 2 rds before valero goes to sleep.

[lefthook2daliva]

Caveman valero will get my support except against pac.

Valero keeps his hands too low

and

dodges punches by moving backwards a bit.

Pacquiao's straight left will land all night long against the caveman easily.

For now. Dude acknowledged he still had alot to learn yet, right? This indicates his development curve has yet to peak, maybe. Also, he dodged alot of punches by lateral movement as well.

Now? Yeah. Manny's probably too much for him (for the purposes of this discussion I won't get into the PED controversy).

For that matter , I think I'd still take JMM over Valero as long as the fight was @135 and in 2010.

Couple of years down the road, w/Valero working at improving his game, maybe get him a HoF trainer and steadily increasing the level of his opposition? He might very well beat em' both.

[SpinDoctor]

For now. Dude acknowledged he still had alot to learn yet, right? This indicates his development curve has yet to peak, maybe. Also, he dodged alot of punches by lateral movement as well.

Now? Yeah. Manny's probably too much for him (for the purposes of this discussion I won't get into the PED controversy).

For that matter , I think I'd still take JMM over Valero as long as the fight was @135 and in 2010.

Couple of years down the road, w/Valero working at improving his game, maybe get him a HoF trainer and steadily increasing the level of his opposition? He might very well beat em' both.

pac be retired by then, but valero is gonna be way up there on the p4p list

[PAC-BOY]

so do you like take me off ignore, reply, then put me back on?

hehehehe did he really do that hahahahah what a f@g

[El Castigador]

Whatever happened to that debate you guys was going to have of Carbajal and Norris-Jackson impact?

Lol. When was this?