Why Manny Pacquiao should have agreed to ramdom testing

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  • whirlwind
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    PRboxingfan where are you bro? You did not answer my question. It doesn't make sense right? We want this fight to happen. I just can't stand some of these *****s keep repeating themselves of how Pac doesn't want the blood test because he's hiding something.

    Olympic random blood testing <<<<<<<<< NanotrapTM ESP Particles.
    Last edited by whirlwind; 02-09-2010, 10:46 AM.

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    • PRboxingfan
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      #22
      Originally posted by whirlwind
      PRboxingfan where are you bro? You did not answer my question. It doesn't make sense right? We want this fight to happen. I just can't stand some of these *****s keep repeating themselves of how Pac doesn't want the blood test because he's hiding something.

      Olympic random blood testing <<<<<<<<< NanotrapTM ESP Particles.
      I had to read your other post 4 times to understand what you were saying. Sorry, but punctuation and grammar > you, LOL

      Anywho, the thing about blood tests is that the sample can be stored for a long time. The Olympic comittee stores blood for 8 years, but it can be stored for much longer than that. Imagine if a boxer gave blood today and, 5 years down the road, someone finds a way to test for HGH or whatever PED that boxer might've used. That blood would still be there and it could be proven that Boxer X used Drug Y. Urine samples cannot be kept for testing, so they are at a big disadvantage.

      BTW, HGH is EXTREMELY hard to detect in urine. To quote The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA):

      "Is a urine test for hGH likely to be developed?
      -According to the overwhelming majority of international experts, the blood matrix is the most reliable matrix for the detection of hGH.
      -hGH in urine is found in extremely small quan****** (less than 1% than that found in blood).
      -In the view of international scientific experts, efforts to develop a reliable urine test for hGH would require significant resources and time, and chances of success appear remote."

      Find that here: WADA Link in PDF form

      Here is another good read: WADA Article

      So, now you see why it is important to have blood tests and not just urine tests.

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      • whirlwind
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        #23
        Originally posted by PRboxingfan
        I had to read your other post 4 times to understand what you were saying. Sorry, but punctuation and grammar > you, LOL

        Anywho, the thing about blood tests is that the sample can be stored for a long time. The Olympic comittee stores blood for 8 years, but it can be stored for much longer than that. Imagine if a boxer gave blood today and, 5 years down the road, someone finds a way to test for HGH or whatever PED that boxer might've used. That blood would still be there and it could be proven that Boxer X used Drug Y. Urine samples cannot be kept for testing, so they are at a big disadvantage.

        BTW, HGH is EXTREMELY hard to detect in urine. To quote The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA):



        "Is a urine test for hGH likely to be developed?
        -According to the overwhelming majority of international experts, the blood matrix is the most reliable matrix for the detection of hGH.
        -hGH in urine is found in extremely small quan****** (less than 1% than that found in blood).
        -In the view of international scientific experts, efforts to develop a reliable urine test for hGH would require significant resources and time, and chances of success appear remote."

        Find that here: WADA Link in PDF form

        Here is another good read: WADA Article

        So, now you see why it is important to have blood tests and not just urine tests.
        Sorry Mr. English expert for my poor English. This is my fourth language I'm trying to learn. Anyway, I'm not a ****** who forced to learn my master language. Back to the topic, will you provide me some latest news? Mine is newer. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...da-backs-urine

        You mastered your master language. You should know whats the meaning of outdated vs latest.
        Last edited by whirlwind; 02-09-2010, 07:38 PM.

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          #24
          "As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint"

          anybody who thinks a boxer has no right to ask for more testing when there life is on the line is a grade a moron

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            #25
            Although I don't agree completely with you on this, you bring up some very good points. Nice to see posters on here with their opinions and biases who can actually write something with resorting to name calling and **** talking.

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            • whirlwind
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              #26
              Originally posted by solo20
              "As it stands today Mayweather has the upper hand on Pacquiao from a moral viewpoint and a boxing viewpoint"

              anybody who thinks a boxer has no right to ask for more testing when there life is on the line is a grade a moron

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              Floyd has the right to ask for more testing but at least dont ask for those method where nobody, yes nobody been caught using HGH on these athletes been tested beside he is not a boxing commision who regulates the sport.

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              • PRboxingfan
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                #27
                Whirlwind,

                From the article you linked to:

                What this means, simply, is that HGH use is now detectable through testing of urine samples and the breakthrough technology is officially ready to "Rock-and-Roll."
                This says that the technology is ready, not that it has been used or that it's even approved to be used. Has it been peer reviewed? NOPE! As it stands, it's just one company that claims that they can detect HGH in urine and it has been given money to research/develop this technology. The author ASSUMES that it's ready, but I couldn't find anything on the USADA website that states that it's in use or that it could even be used.


                Originally posted by whirlwind
                Floyd has the right to ask for more testing but at least dont ask for those method where nobody, yes nobody been caught using HGH on these athletes been tested beside he is not a boxing commision who regulates the sport.
                To refute the bolded text:

                You can put whatever the hell you want in a contract, so long as it doesn't violate the terms of the sanctioning commission. So, if the commission in Nevada requires that welterweights wear 10oz gloves, but you stipulate in contract that you want 12oz gloves (and your opponent agrees/signs), then you have put a condition on the fight that is not dictated by the commission. It's the same thing with drug tests. They can't go below what the commission requires, but they can require additional tests and not need commission approval.

                Floyd did what he thought he needed to do in order to assure a fair fight. Pac decided to leave $40 Million Dollars on the table in order to not give up 1 tablespoon of blood up to 14 days before the fight. Any sane person would conclude that he has something to hide.

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                • daydachamp
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                  #28
                  How many random tests did floyd mayweather jr. ask manny pacquiao to be subject to? you don't know because it hasn't been reported. therefore your opinion is useless.
                  if i said i'd jump off the brooklyn bridge would you do it too?
                  how many random tests?

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